Interesting conflict at AMT

[JoBelle]

Ahh, laconic all of a sudden?

Base idea here:
It just seems silly to argue against the rules of something that you DID NOT CREATE. It doesn't belong to ya. You're a visitor here. 🙄 That being said, it would appear to those who view your whining that you forget that this is not a place up for debate. If you don't like it, make something better. That's simple, eh?

Lastly, Freedom of Expression is great! No one is stopping you. Just asking you to respect the rules of the folks who invented this staging are for the expression.

Ideas? Not so much. You seem to be rehashing the same OLD idea. "I wanna do something and you're mean and won't let me." Come now, you can do better than that. WHAT ideas? Lay out a few ideas so that we can see there is some substance to your thoughts and not just another person pouting because they can't have everything, everywhere done their way.

Since you adressed so little in you "list," I can't really take a conversation with you any farther. *shrug* I'm a bit disappointed at the lack of example of what horror moderation has caused.

Joby

BTW, thanks sweetie!!!

 

[QBWeaver]

JoBelle.... God Love ya! You always express things so much better than I do!

Thanks Babe!

 

[Haltickling]

"the difference between regulating opinions and regulating rules of opinion exchange"

With your permission, I'd like to save this one. It's so absurd, it's precious.

You may certainly save it. You are even allowed to think it over!

 

[venray]

Many wave the banner of free speech high, but do they understand the concept?

http://www.comportone.com/connie/articles/freespch.htm

http://www.spectacle.org/597/why.html

As far as what we are..a forum..a moderated forum...a community..a club....a society...it makes no difference...we are a group of people that have come together in a privately owned and operated establishment where rules and regs have been set up that must be followed as in ANY civilized society....dont want to follow the rules,then pay the consequences or move along...that's the way life works ya know.....

My last 2 cents


venray

 

[AffectionateDan]

Bella darlin', you never fail to crack me the hell UP!!!

Um, Dude? I said: I have a hard time with the censorship here being seen as denial of free speech.

I agree wholeheartedly that it's censorship and I have no problem with it. Party on, Garth 😉

Bella

 

[Daumantas]

An "interesting" conflict at AMT?

Oh, of course - same old stuff. A bunch of loudmouths throwing insults back and forth. How gripping. (Yawn)

You ain't missin' nothin' - and if that's what constitutes "freedom of expression" in your mind, your sense of expression is sorely limited indeed.

 

[drew70]

Originally posted by JoBelle

It seems that the anti-mod crowd here forgets one simple word. PRIVATE!

Hi Jo. When you say "anti-mod" I assume you understand that it's not the moderators themselves on trial here, but rather policy itself. I don't believe in censorship, but if you are going to have it, I can't see it being done any more fairly and dililgently than Myriads and his staff. I think they do a great job and they work hard doing it. That's part of my point. They are doing for us what each of us should be capable of doing for ourselves....deciding which posts are suitable and/or profitable.

Yes it's a private forum, that's certainly true. But private does not necessarily mean moderated. I don't challenge their right to impliment the censorship policy, I merely question the wisdom or necessity behind it.

Somewhere around age 4, children learn that when you receive a gift (something given to you for free) that you say thank you.

That's certainly true. And this is relevant....how? Are you saying the TMF was given to us as a gift? Interesting. I've received very few gifts that came with conditions as to it's use, at least as an adult.

If a child behaved in the manner that many of the anti-mid crowd does, it would be put in a very long "time-out" and the toy would be taken away! Here, that is the 86 you get. You are booted from the forum, or your post(s) is(are) deleted.

And you don't find being treated as a child objectionable? Because that's pretty much what it boils down to. Play nice or we'll send you home.

Now, if someone could answer something for me???

Since you ask so nicely, I'll do my best. 🙂

Since what is moderated here at the TMF are flat out insults, childish behavior, and flame bait....ummmm😕 what exactly do you feel the need to say that you can't?

Whatever I want, however I want. For example, my response to Dodger's second attempt to manage my time was deleted as "flame bait." I don't begrudge Myriads doing his job, but it's too bad we don't have it as an example of the kind of post you're asking about. I pounded Dodger pretty good in that response, but it contained no name calling nor childish behavior. Insults yes, but given with subtlety and good taste, at least in my opinion.

Do you lack the ability to reword?

Nope. Just the desire.

Can you not communicate wihtout bashing someone?

Of course I can. Am I not doing so now? Did I not treat Bella with respect? I don't advocate free speech so I can go on a rampage, bashing people randomly. I would just like to at least have that option available. Is that really so much to ask?

It would seem that your opinion and thoughts would not only be heard, but welcomed as well if you just followed a few simple rules.

That's why you should be free to follow whatever rules you deem worthy of following. When your choice in following them is taken away, you are limited in how you're permitted to express yourself.

I mean...frankly, if you're so repulsed by it, yet you hang around...then you're lazy or greedy. Or is it something else?

Perhaps some of us don't see the TMF strictly in terms of it's censorship policy. It's only one aspect of the forum. I don't like having to following it, but that doesn't mean I can't or won't. Frankly Jo, I never pegged you as the "if-you-don't-like-it-move-the-hell-on" type. You always struck me as being tolerant of opinions you don't necessarily agree with.

Do you have a free forum out there that I can visit?

I don't have any, but I can point you to several. Any particular topic?

Will I be treated politely?

You'll be treated with all manner of acceptance and rejection. Choosing which responses matter to you is easy...easier than even "rewording."

Do you have a chatroom where we can talk?

I'm not certain what you mean. I know of many private and public chat facilities. I don't manage any, if that's what you mean.

Am I missing something here other than the obvious???

I don't know, but I'm definitely missing something here. The point of your last four questions, for instance.

Could someone tell me what the TMF excludes that would be a positive addition to this place?? I just don't get that whole idea. *Help?*

You don't get it because you have a different opinion on what constitues "a positive addition to this place" then those of us who don't dig censorship. You evidently don't see the value in a clever repartee between two worthy opponents. I do. It lends a dynamic quality to a forum that can't be achieved in a moderated environment.

TMF = it's FREE! What have you contributed today?

I haven't contributed anything. Didn't you just say it was free? What are we expected to contribute?

 

[unitkl]

I pounded Dodger pretty good in that response,

You must be very proud. (Is that what you're fighting for here? The freedom to "pound someone pretty good?") Check your motives man. They are messed up.

 

[Myriads]

I would just like to at least have that option available. Is that really so much to ask?

It's not much to ask, and in the hands of many users it would not be a problem. However in the hands of some it becomes a tool of random destruction spewed all over the place. Thus the tool has been banned. We are not going to sit about and choose who can handle it or not. We have decided that no one will handle it.

If you feel this infantizes you, then I apologise. But it's how it is. Too many couldn't handle the sharp pointy tool of insult well, so we took it away.

When I first started moderating the forum, my polocies were far more liberal towards censoring people. I left a lot, and things were a lot more 'free'. I lost users because of it. People who told me why they left. People who decided that this place was not where they wanted to be, because of how it made them feel. And it made them feel bad.

So I had to make a choice. Who did I want to protect? People who came here to try and relax, and find enjoyment in their fetish, and perhaps want to be part of a community. Or People who might come for the same things, but wouldn't because they didn't like the fact that I might take their words.

A crappy choice.

I chose to block the active problem. So the ones who dislike censorship got the shaft. But thats a passive issue. You know the rules, if you don't like them you get to choose to be here or not. The people who were getting hurt by those 'exercising thier right to speach' didn't get a choice. It just happened to them, and it was random. So they got the coverage. Seemed fair to me.

And thats why things are as they are.

Said by Drew:I haven't contributed anything.

Yes you did your posts and well expressed opinions. The best contributions one can make here.

Myriads

 

[JoBelle]

Oh, how I LOVE when someone takes my post apart sentence by sentence and argues each and every word! 🙄 You missed the point entirely. To be honest, by the third sentence I grow weary of that and don't read the rest. *sorry*

The only thing I found worthy of note was simply this. When people behave like children in ways such as whining when they can't have their way in a place that doens't belong to them, well...I think they should be treated as a child. Respect is four letter word to some people it would seem.

I won't pull your post to bits to find a flaw in every sentence. I was more concerned with the subject as a whole. Since I've made my thoughts clear, I'll now follow Ven and exit. You've no interest in anything beyond having your way it seems. So, this is where the discussion ends on this computer!

Cheers, and I hope you find a site that some one else owns yet allows you the satisfaction of doing as you please. Good luck! 🙂
Joby

 

[1golfer]

wow

Interesting stuff (some of it). The "love it or leave it" stuff went out in '68 Joby but some of the rest is good. Some of it is also lame rationalization, but that's easy enough to spot.
Anyway, I guess I reignited this thread simply by saying that TMF is a club and not a forum. Not a complaint, just an observation. The owners assert their right to do with it as they will and that's fine. In fact, I really love most of the stuff that's provided here and I appreciate that it's free. I also know that those who advertise here appreciate the dollars I spend at their companies.
I treat this club as a forum and that's my problem. Some of the rules are silly, but they're rules(oh-oh, a rationalization).
So long to this thread.

 

[BellaRisa]

Holy long-ass thread, Batman!

I've been too busy to get back to this for a few days, and while I was gone my points were made beautifully by others-always a cool thing. A few points that I would like to address:

When I mentioned yelling "fire!" in a crowded movie theatre, it was compared to real fire. Um, no. I was referring to someone shouting "fire" when there *is* none, purposely making trouble and causing chaos for no other reason than their own amusement. I liken that to flamebaiting when the *only* goal is to ruin a thread and cause fighting. Of course it's not exactly the same, but I find it similar for reasons stated in that post.

Also, when I referred to other forums as places where rats could roam freely, that was read as me calling all those who post there rats. That was not my intent. (Nor had I any idea that it would be clung to so tenaciously). In all forums you have intelligent and pleasant folk, and ...others. I DO liken randomly insulting posts-such as when I tried to start a women's forum and was called a 'Pink Mafia Dyke'-to rat droppings in the soup, because they are vile and ruin the meal and cause some to leave and never return. I'd usually rather eat at the clean establishment than strive to pick out the poop, others prefer to deal with it for the sake of complete freedom. We all make our choices and that's fine. But it was not my intent to call anyone an actual rat, and if there is someone who enjoys harming others through such nasty and useless posts and they now feel slighted, they are welcome to email me. If you're not such a person, you've nothing to worry over.

Lastly, I DO feel that censoring is practiced here. I find that there exist different levels of censorship, and I find the level here to be liberating for myself and many others rather than stifling. But that's my POV, and I respect that there are others who feel otherwise.

My thanks to Joby, QB and Myriads for voicing my thoughts with clarity and style.

Bella

 

[drew70]

Originally posted by JoBelle

Oh, how I LOVE when someone takes my post apart sentence by sentence and argues each and every word! 🙄 You missed the point entirely. To be honest, by the third sentence I grow weary of that and don't read the rest. *sorry*

You should be. I answered your post specifically at your request. I read each and every word and made an effort to understand your point of view---more than you are willing to do for me evidently.

The only thing I found worthy of note was simply this. When people behave like children in ways such as whining when they can't have their way in a place that doens't belong to them, well...I think they should be treated as a child. Respect is four letter word to some people it would seem.

If it's not too much to ask, may I direct you to the opening comments of this thread? It may tax you as I'm afraid it involves reading more than three sentences. My opening comments were neither a whine nor a rant. I committed the "unpardonable sin" of pointing out the merits of AMT as I saw them to somebody who'd never been there. From that point on I've been answering the numerous challenges to that opinion. My position since that first post has been one of defense, not attack. And don't even speak to me of "respect" when you won't even read the answers of questions you asked in the first place.

I won't pull your post to bits to find a flaw in every sentence. I was more concerned with the subject as a whole. Since I've made my thoughts clear, I'll now follow Ven and exit. You've no interest in anything beyond having your way it seems. So, this is where the discussion ends on this computer!

I wish you would pull apart every sentence. At least then I would know you read it!! You're thoughts are anything but clear, and it is you Jo, who have no interest in meaningful discussion. So go ahead and hold your hands over your ears and say "LA LA LA LA LA I DON'T HEAR YOU!" and then in your next breath tell me how childish I'm acting.

 

[drew70]

Re: Joby, don't lower yourself to ________

First of all, I for one think that everything Joby said in here post was right on! Do you people even read what is posted? I doubt it! You are showing your ingorance!

I've read every post in this thread, and offered more constructive comments than anyone. If I'm showing ignorance, then by all means, educate me.

Did you read that? Did it sink in?

I did read it. And the parts that made sense sank in. I responded to each of them. Too bad she didn't show the same courtesy. Speaking of courtesy, yours could use a little work there, Luvvy.

Like the lady said, TMF = it's FREE! What have you contributed today?

Read my response to Jo's identical comment and come back to me.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

How long did it take for someone to say, if you don't like it, then make one yourself?
But hey, I'm not anti-mod, or anti-censorship, so I'm just going to assume it wasn't pointed toward me.

Free or not, as long as I belong to something, I want it to be the best. If that means expressing my opinion, or feelings, or ideas on how to make something better, by God, I'm going to do it.

Why should people have to keep quiet or go elsewhere just because they have a criticism about TMF? Why should they have to go find another place to play if they have a different opinion of TMF than others do? Why should we suck it up, and keep quiet just because it’s "free" or a "gift" (as it was called)? Why is it that everyone who disagrees with the masses is labeled ungrateful? Since when are we not supposed to discuss/ debate something that is not ours and that we didn’t create? Hmmmmm……

It seems silly not to be able to have a civilized discussion about the rules, and whether or not people agree with them. Let’s see here…. even my students do that, and guess what? I don't tell them, “Shut up! It’s the rules, and if you don't like it, move on and create your own school!” Or how about, “You didn’t make the rules so you can’t disagree with what you didn’t create!” You know what I do? Hey, I listen. What a concept! I tell them they have the power and the voice to work, and do what they can (within reason heehee) to get the rules adapted or even thrown out. So while we are bringing up children, even children are able and allowed to question or push to change some of the rules/laws they have to live under. Haven’t ya’ll ever did that?

Private, public, no matter, I'm free to express my opinion just like anyone else. It doesn't make me a whiner, or a complainer because I don’t agree with something. It makes me someone who wants something to be even better than it was the year before, and the year before that, and the year before that.

There are good things about TMF. There are good things about AMT. There are things about TMF that need improvement. There are things about AMT that need improvement. Why do we have to be stale or complacent? If a damn Whopper can be new and improved, then why the hell can't we?

Burgers!
Sunriseticklee



PS... I sent you my email Qjakal... Warning, its long.

 

[Derrida]

Re: Parental guidance...

Perhaps YOUR schoolchildren use them with impunity, but if either of my sons did so, I'd tan their hides and yank their video game cords so fast their heads would spin. Accepting bad behavior is different from condoning it, just as being 18+ is far different than being a child. I'd worry more about the morals of someone who just "lets it go" from minors than mine, dear.

I see. So because expletives irk you personally, you would beat your children (Which is, I might add, both illegal and very, very wrong)?
You've dodged the point admirably. That point being that large portions of the content displayed here would be considered much more offensive than just a common curse.




In a side note, just how old ARE the girls in TATU, anyway?

 

[Tabooqui]

Beat your children?

I'm assuming ( and hoping) you're not a parent at this time, since you obviously have no experience or insight into the difference in a beating and a "tanning".

As for dodging issues, you're still way off base. I'm aware this is an adult site, which I stated in my first post. So, that means I HAVE to like profanity, and that because (in your opinion) the pics are MORE offensive (again...to YOU), I therefore have no validity to my point? Get over yourself and move on. Lemme get back to my illegal child rearing process..lololol.

 

[Derrida]

I'm assuming ( and hoping) you're not a parent at this time, since you obviously have no experience or insight into the difference in a beating and a "tanning".

To be sure, Dictionary.com defines "tanning" as, "A beating; a whipping." There are some other definitions, but I'd assume that you're not actually converting your children into leather. I'll admit, I'm not in the business of striking children, so, as you say, I've no experience or insight.

By the way, that's a great personal stab, you're hoping I'm not a parent. You "da man."

So, that means I HAVE to like profanity, and that because (in your opinion) the pics are MORE offensive (again...to YOU),

Not to me, to the law. There is no law that protects minors against hearing expletives, but (Assuming you live in America), there are laws preventing children from viewing pornography. It's true, the law isn't exactly objective, but it provides a much stronger basis for arguement than "I don't like it."

lololol.

You know what an acronym is, right?

 

[venray]

Profanity is not
Freedom of Speech!

If you're surfing the web, looking for articles against profanity, you'll discover something unsettling. It appears that many Americans think using profanity is a right built into the Constitution of America as part of the Bill of Rights. Hmmm... Let me check.

Nope... It's not there.

Freedom of speech was not added to our Bill of Rights to excuse profanity, bad manners, libel, or outright lying. Let's look again at Freedom of Speech. It is included as part of the First Amendment to the Constitution, also known as one of the Bill of Rights.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Our forefathers never meant "freedom of speech" to cover something as base as profanity. Their intention was to assure the future of a government "run by the people." A government "run by the people" requires the ability to discuss and vocalize opinions about the government. A government "run by the people" requires a press willing to uncover and report truths so that corruption in the government would be discovered and would not be allowed to continue [a good idea when it works]. A government "by the people" allows people to peaceably assemble and come before the government with grievances with expectations of receiving a fair hearing and outcome.
These rights are important. They are critical in maintaining a free country. But nowhere in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution does it mention that we, as a people, have the right to be offensive and vulgar to others. If that were the case where would the offended's rights come into play? Whose rights supercede the other's? And what about little children, don't they have any rights not to have filth said in their presence?

The Internet is a fascinating place, full of interesting facts and opinions. Many people enjoy visiting bulletins or message boards in hopes of finding new information they are seeking. Sometimes they run across another user expressing himself in the only way they seem to know how - with profanity. For some it doesn't matter at all, for others it is merely an annoyance, but for a growing number - it is offensive. And they are getting tired of having their eyes and ears assaulted.

Most of these offended people are not prudes. They are not naive or innocents. They may or may not be Christian. They do accept that some people swear in the heat of anger, but they will never condone the usage of profanity in everyday language. These are people who choose not to use swear words in their own conversations and would prefer not to see or hear them either. Is that not a fair request?

There are some efforts to correct excessive profanity. If you drive through some states with an offensive bumper sticker, you could be arrested and fined. In the workplace, you could be sued for sexual harassment and at the very least will lose your job. In some states using hand gestures and swear words while driving can now get you a fine for exhibiting symptoms of " Road Rage." It will get you removed from many business establishments, such as restaurants, stores, movie theatres, etc. Profanity spoken by a student in a school [K-12] will result in a detention, suspension or possibly even expulsion. Our world, in numerous ways, is telling us profanity is not acceptable. So where is the problem?

The problem is we are a country of mixed messages. On one hand, we set up laws to fight profanity [as stated previously.] On the other hand, we seem to exploit profanity to attract our [somewhat rebellious] youth. How is profanity exploited? The worst offenders are the motion picture and the music industries.

How many movies have you seen recently that have not included profanity [and I'm not just talking about a word or two]? The movie industry is well aware that big bucks come out of the younger crowd. They believe that an "R" rating will increase the appeal of their movie. [And unfortunately, statistics seem to agree.] In order to achieve an "R" rating, they must include a required number of swear words or a certain degree of violence or sex; or any combination of the variables. The criteria occasionally changes. Case in point: remember back to some movie [10 or 15 years ago] that previously had an "R" rating and chances are very good that it would now carry a "PG" rating.

Truthfully, times have changed - but not for the better. For instance, when many of us were growing up there was an ultimate swear word. You know which one. The one that was saved for an extreme situation. The one word that many of us never used [and still don't] - it was that bad. In the past, it was an indicator of an uneducated or uncouth individual, someone you wouldn't bring home to meet your parents. Now, unfortunately, it has become the norm in many people's conversations. Have you walked the halls of your neighborhood school recently? Or sat in the bleachers at a high school game? Or shopped in an area shopping mall? Or even gone to the public beach? Profanity is there.

Pity the youth of today. They have no ultimate word to use inextreme situations. After all, if they use this word to describe what a good day it is, how can they use they same word when they discover someone has stolen the stereo system from their car?

It is a problem that adults let happen. We should have demanded more responsibility from the movie, television and music industries. We should have demanded good movies without the sex, violence, and swearing. We should have demanded more choices besides children's animations or "R" ratings. It can be done. Just watch a movie that was previously rated "R" when it is shown on TV without the language, sex and violence that gave it the "R" rating. One I can think of recently shown was "Broken Arrow" with John Tavolta and Christian Slater. My kids told me not to see it on video - that the swearing would ruin it for me. So I never rented it ...but when I watched it on TV, it was quite interesting.

Which leads me to a few questions? Do all criminals and prisoners swear? It would appear so in the movies. Do all policemen and law enforcement personnel swear? They do in the movies. Do all college kids use foul language and get drunk? Well, they do on screen. Are all high schoolers lazy, sex-crazed, dope-addicted, alcohol- consuming, foul-mouthed, psychotic, irrespsonsible brats? According to the movie industry. Typecasting? ...you bet. Irresponsible? ...Absolutely!

What about our music industry? Don't they hold any personal responsibility for the lyrics they promote? Apparently not in their eyes. Such garbage as "Kill your mother ...Kill your father" is not promoting sanity in an unstable world where kids are using guns to show the world their frustrations. Commonplace in America? No - not yet, but becoming increasingly a possibility. The music industry sells our children on sex, drugs, and violence. They glorify it. And because of the misinterpretation of "Freedom of Speech" - society will have to pick up the pieces. Irresponsible? ...Absolutely!

Now isn't television is a tad more subtle? Well, it was when many of us grew up. There is nothing subtle about telelvision anymore. If television is a reflection of a realistic society - we are in big trouble. Often when a show is in its first year, it is interesting and humorous. But as time goes on, the show gets increasingly daring and outrageous. Compared to the movie industry, television is expected to tone down the violence, profanity and sex. But on television, sex is dealt with in a different way. Television promotes sex through humor. Sorry, but there is nothing funny about a promiscuous friend or relative. There is nothing funny about not remembering the name of someone you slept with. There is nothing funny about a bet on who can score the most or abstain the longest. Morality is not funny. Irresponsible? ...Absolutely!

As parents and as a society, we have got to get serious about protecting the rights of the offended instead of the offenders. What are we teaching and promoting? Profanity or common decency. You decide and stand strong for your convictions. Don't let your standards be ruled by the movie, television or music industry, where money is their motivator.

America will not be destroyed by an enemy from the outside. If we were ever attacked, our citizens would unite and defend our great country. However, if an enemy should sneak up on us and attack us from within, in subtle ways, at our very ideals, our country will not stand. And saddest of all - it will be our fault.


Connie Eccles,
ComPortOne Editor & CEO

 

[drew70]

Re: drew70

Originally posted by Haltickling

Bella, Venray, and others have already brought forward most of the pro-TMF arguments. Let me just add this:
drew70, why exactly do you think these cool people hang around at the TMF instead of AMT? Maybe you can't have one without the other... 🙄

Hal, you accused me in a later post of evading this question, so I thought I'd address it again. My original response to this question was to say that "actually Hal, there are cool and uncool people alike at both AMT and the TMF." I said this because your question seemed at the time to suggest that "cool people" prefer the TMF to AMT. I now see my error and apologize for the misunderstanding.

From what I've seen in this thread alone, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the vast majority of its members prefer the TMF because it is a moderated forum. They don't view the censorship as a restriction but more of a janitorial service. Whatever. 🙄

I know my viewpoint on this topic ostricizes me from the rest to some degree, but I have to call it as I see it. I just can't help think that a preference for a moderated forum speaks of a deeper problem. To me it speaks of an inability or unwillingness to deal with life's unpleasantries. With regards to this preference toward a moderated forum, the TMF sometimes reminds me of an old folks home where the moderators wear white smocks and dress the inmates because they're unable to dress themselves, and clean the butt cracks of the inhabitants, who are too traumatized by the crap to clean it up themselves. The end result is that the inhabitants can go ahead playing bingo and canasta without worrying about such things.

I know this probably infuriates some of you, but it's not my intention to cast disparagement on anybody. This analogy only relates to the censorship thing, and is by no means a bust on the character or abilities of anybody here. Most of the TMF members can run circles around me academically and intellectually, and I am truly honored and humbled to be a part of such a cool bunch of folks.

 

[Derrida]

Profanity is not
Freedom of Speech!
...

Interesting viewpoint. Are you posting it because you agree with it?
Also, while much of it is true, I'm not sure I can discern that it says why, specifically, swearing is wrong. Sure, it's wrong to just walk up and down a street constantly cussing out anyone who happens to walk within a fifteen meter radius. But it's another thing entirely to swear onscreen or with other people with whom you're engaged in a conversation. In these cases, I'd submit that the people listening expect this, or something on par with this, unless they happen to be complete strangers, or they think they're watching a disney film, not a Quentin Tarantino film. Just as if I were to walk into a disco bar, I wouldn't complain about the disco music coming out of the jukebox. For another example, it's one thing to put a link to goatse in the middle of a forum post. It's another entirely to put one on a special links page, with a number of warnings not to click it.

 

[Daumantas]

An "inability or unwillingness to deal with life's unpleasantries"?

Dealing with "life's unpleasantries" involves things like enduring a tough day at work, paying bills, raising kids in difficult circumstances, keeping your marriage together, etc., etc., etc. It has very little to do with a desire to call people names on an Internet message board about tickling. Or with wanting to put up with the same when you come here to unwind and have some fun with like-minded folks.

Drew, the more you talk about this the more you underline why moderation is a good thing. The best analogy you can come up with for people who disagree with you is...an insulting description of feeble inmates of a nursing home? (Insulting to both the folks here AND to nursing home residents, by the way.)

 

[ShiningIce]

Umm what was this thread about again?? 😕

 

[Haltickling]

Re: Re: drew70

They don't view the censorship as a restriction but more of a janitorial service. Whatever. 🙄

LOL, Drew, would you like to live in a big house without a janitor? Without somebody who changes broken light bulbs on the stairways, cleans up the mess near the trashbin areas, knows whom to call in case of a stuck elevator or broken heating, etc? I certainly wouldn't. Not because I can't do all these things myself, but because it's more comfortable to have a janitor.

I wouldn't be comfortable to live in a big city without police protection either, not because I can't defend myself, but because I don't want to run around armed and constantly in fear of thugs. The cops lessen the personal strain on me. So do the mods.

The mods don't treat members like helpless elderly people in a sanatorium, they help to provide a comfortable atmosphere for all, even if that means to curb certain individuals with a lack of self control, or those who try to annoy and offend others. They provide a SERVICE, and I (for one) am grateful for that.

 

[drew70]

Originally posted by Daumantas

An "inability or unwillingness to deal with life's unpleasantries"?

Dealing with "life's unpleasantries" involves things like enduring a tough day at work, paying bills, raising kids in difficult circumstances, keeping your marriage together, etc., etc., etc. It has very little to do with a desire to call people names on an Internet message board about tickling. Or with wanting to put up with the same when you come here to unwind and have some fun with like-minded folks.

I don't recall mentioning a desire to call people names on the internet. And such posts are easily avoided...that is, for people who can fend for themselves.

Drew, the more you talk about this the more you underline why moderation is a good thing. The best analogy you can come up with for people who disagree with you is...an insulting description of feeble inmates of a nursing home? (Insulting to both the folks here AND to nursing home residents, by the way.)

Actually, I've made all the best arguments against moderation. It's unnecessary, it's a waist of time, it restricts freedom of expression, ect. You just choose not to hear them and that is of course your right. So dry your eyes, nothing is going to change here. You'll still have your little safe haven from those mean old trolls. By the way, no that wasn't the best analogy I was able to come up with, merely the least offensive. Thanks for taking it in the spirit it was meant. 🙄