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Is World War III Approaching
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Yes
We are the only country capable of putting a nuke exactly where we want it, and estimating the impact.
France and Britain potentially could, but as usual they'll do what we say. We think for them, we tell them what to do.
China is a joke, she hasn't the missiles nor the technology to launch a nuke and get it out of her own country. All her sites are above ground so any country would have plenty of warning. before her missiles left the ground China would be a nuclear wasteland.
Russia, forget it. After the advent of the Trident they ceased being a real threat.
Iraq has no nukes. They don't have the infrastructure to support building one, and despite the liberal bullshit propoganda she won't steal one. Iraq has REPEATEDLY stated if she had access to a nuke she'd use it on Iran or to settle the Kurdish situation in the north. Now given Hussein has used chemical and gas weapons on his OWN people do you honestly think he'd have any qualms about using a nuke if he already had one?
Yeah the Brits are on our side, but lets face it, they're the equivalent of the guy who is left at the bar at closing time, hoping for remnants if ya know what I mean.
Be safe
TRon
We are the only country capable of putting a nuke exactly where we want it, and estimating the impact.
France and Britain potentially could, but as usual they'll do what we say. We think for them, we tell them what to do.
China is a joke, she hasn't the missiles nor the technology to launch a nuke and get it out of her own country. All her sites are above ground so any country would have plenty of warning. before her missiles left the ground China would be a nuclear wasteland.
Russia, forget it. After the advent of the Trident they ceased being a real threat.
Iraq has no nukes. They don't have the infrastructure to support building one, and despite the liberal bullshit propoganda she won't steal one. Iraq has REPEATEDLY stated if she had access to a nuke she'd use it on Iran or to settle the Kurdish situation in the north. Now given Hussein has used chemical and gas weapons on his OWN people do you honestly think he'd have any qualms about using a nuke if he already had one?
Yeah the Brits are on our side, but lets face it, they're the equivalent of the guy who is left at the bar at closing time, hoping for remnants if ya know what I mean.
Be safe
TRon
It's like watching the Butcher, the Baker, and the Candlestick Maker take about the wicked queen's guards....giggle.
Q, don't pick on Red....God help us if he really decides to jump into the fray. He's an historian, it could get long-winded and dull. Oh, wait.....he's already....nah....not goin' there! He's already got enough nuke power against me..lol
Jo 😛
Q, don't pick on Red....God help us if he really decides to jump into the fray. He's an historian, it could get long-winded and dull. Oh, wait.....he's already....nah....not goin' there! He's already got enough nuke power against me..lol
Jo 😛
Accuracy of info...
That's the same basic info my guys have also.. (except for the part about the pub..lol). As for ME picking on red, I'm not that silly...he has nothing but time on his hands, apparently, and can just sit there for hours pecking away on his little Apple computer and watching his 13" monitor for replies...lol.
Iraq might just be insane enough to nuke the country right next to it, but it would be suicidial, given their basic ignorance of the results of the explosion and the destruct/fallout zones....but, look who we're dealing with...a madman who actually thought his Republican Guard was a match for our elite forces. Sad... Q
That's the same basic info my guys have also.. (except for the part about the pub..lol). As for ME picking on red, I'm not that silly...he has nothing but time on his hands, apparently, and can just sit there for hours pecking away on his little Apple computer and watching his 13" monitor for replies...lol.
Iraq might just be insane enough to nuke the country right next to it, but it would be suicidial, given their basic ignorance of the results of the explosion and the destruct/fallout zones....but, look who we're dealing with...a madman who actually thought his Republican Guard was a match for our elite forces. Sad... Q
Strelnikov
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Neutron, I'm impressed. Finally, there's someone here whose views are more extreme than my own. I'll let you handle this thread for a while. Meanwhile, Q, red indian, why don't we go out for a beer? Maybe Joby will join us...
Strelnikov
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Nuke all of the terrorists. Then, for those countries like France who only support us when its convenient for them, nuke them too if they don't like it. While were at it, nuke Isreal then we don't have to worry about who occupies the north, south, east, and west bank. As for the Chinese, if Truman wasn't such a pussy and listened to McArthur during the Korean War those slanty eyed bastards would be all but exticnt. You see, McArthur wanted to nuke those fuckers back then but Truman feared the Russians so he nuked McArther instead, what a pity 😀
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Ok, Talons dont hold back tell us what you really think. 😉
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ww3
it has been my opinion for the last 11 years that we have had ww3 already. it was called the gulf war, against iraq. there we had an alied force from all over the world, against an enemy.
again i'll remind everyone that china offered to go in to afganistan for us, to get o.b.l., and crush the alqida, and taliban.
sadam husain has chemical/bio. weapons! he's working on a nuke as we speak! thats why bush and blaire said what they did the other day. we (the us) don't have to worry about an icbm comming from iraq, but there are other ways to deliver a bomb. his likely target will be isreal though. he has said time and again that he wants a bomb to use against isreal! yes the fall-out will hit other arabs, but that will be acceptable to the arabs in return for a jew free world. it would propel husain to the top of the arab world, and he knows it!
the isrealies bombed his breeder reactor back in the 80's, they had proof he was going to use a nuke to destroy them, so they hit first, smart people!
my advice, kill all the leaders of the arab world who are against us, and have them start over. why should our boys have to fight, and die in a war because of some crazy ass holes?
steve
it has been my opinion for the last 11 years that we have had ww3 already. it was called the gulf war, against iraq. there we had an alied force from all over the world, against an enemy.
again i'll remind everyone that china offered to go in to afganistan for us, to get o.b.l., and crush the alqida, and taliban.
sadam husain has chemical/bio. weapons! he's working on a nuke as we speak! thats why bush and blaire said what they did the other day. we (the us) don't have to worry about an icbm comming from iraq, but there are other ways to deliver a bomb. his likely target will be isreal though. he has said time and again that he wants a bomb to use against isreal! yes the fall-out will hit other arabs, but that will be acceptable to the arabs in return for a jew free world. it would propel husain to the top of the arab world, and he knows it!
the isrealies bombed his breeder reactor back in the 80's, they had proof he was going to use a nuke to destroy them, so they hit first, smart people!
my advice, kill all the leaders of the arab world who are against us, and have them start over. why should our boys have to fight, and die in a war because of some crazy ass holes?
steve
Moderation....
A bit drastic, wouldn't ya say? Why not just attempt to remove proven madmen and let the people of the region have a shot at democracy or some form of self rule? Do we really need to expand and control these backasswards spots that contain oil and not much else? Both Iraq and Iran (especially iran) have the potential to join the world as good citizens, bringing with them a rich cultural heritage and their own vitality...things you just don't get when you stomp a country flat and annex its resources, strip mine it and heave its population into even further economic hell. I think we should move forward, even if only Britain sides with us, and perform an "Assholectomy" in the trouble spots that have shown themselves to be unrepentant and actively violent. Let the region stabilize and then remove ourselves...although this is beginning to sound like Star Trek and the Prime Directive, it's a feasible plan. Just turn off the Tv and radio and ignore the worldwide bitching that always starts when someone does something difficult...these are the same people who told us we couldn't possibly win in Afghanistan due to yada yada yada and oopsy boopsy and because they said so...as prophets and allies they suck anyway, so just let them blather and eat cheese and drink wine and drive their itty bitty cars on the wrong side of the road or whatever the hell they're doing besides helping put a stop to murdering idiots that should never have been allowed to come into power in the first place. This is NOT a time for eternal debate...let the Marines and Air Force and Army do what they need to...what the world needs done, and in 50 years historians can look at it and write about the effectiveness or lack of it with a bit of perspective...but at least TRY! Grrr...more coffee...
Q
A bit drastic, wouldn't ya say? Why not just attempt to remove proven madmen and let the people of the region have a shot at democracy or some form of self rule? Do we really need to expand and control these backasswards spots that contain oil and not much else? Both Iraq and Iran (especially iran) have the potential to join the world as good citizens, bringing with them a rich cultural heritage and their own vitality...things you just don't get when you stomp a country flat and annex its resources, strip mine it and heave its population into even further economic hell. I think we should move forward, even if only Britain sides with us, and perform an "Assholectomy" in the trouble spots that have shown themselves to be unrepentant and actively violent. Let the region stabilize and then remove ourselves...although this is beginning to sound like Star Trek and the Prime Directive, it's a feasible plan. Just turn off the Tv and radio and ignore the worldwide bitching that always starts when someone does something difficult...these are the same people who told us we couldn't possibly win in Afghanistan due to yada yada yada and oopsy boopsy and because they said so...as prophets and allies they suck anyway, so just let them blather and eat cheese and drink wine and drive their itty bitty cars on the wrong side of the road or whatever the hell they're doing besides helping put a stop to murdering idiots that should never have been allowed to come into power in the first place. This is NOT a time for eternal debate...let the Marines and Air Force and Army do what they need to...what the world needs done, and in 50 years historians can look at it and write about the effectiveness or lack of it with a bit of perspective...but at least TRY! Grrr...more coffee...
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Good idea Strell!
But I doubt we would be able to aggree on which pub to meet in without at least 6 pages of a thread on the subject!!
But I doubt we would be able to aggree on which pub to meet in without at least 6 pages of a thread on the subject!!
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and for your information Q.....
its a MESH puter, 1.2ghz Athlon cpu, 256mb sdram, 45gb hard drive, and its a 19 inch monitor!! (cheeky sod!)
its a MESH puter, 1.2ghz Athlon cpu, 256mb sdram, 45gb hard drive, and its a 19 inch monitor!! (cheeky sod!)
Uh huh...
Suuuuure it is, red! Make sure you put it in the picture when you finally get around to posting up with the rest of us gutsy members on the Picture Section, ok? As for meeting at a pub, I doubt Strel will much care which one, long as they have brew and a bit of conversation.... Q
Suuuuure it is, red! Make sure you put it in the picture when you finally get around to posting up with the rest of us gutsy members on the Picture Section, ok? As for meeting at a pub, I doubt Strel will much care which one, long as they have brew and a bit of conversation.... Q
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Not sure what it means!!????
The box said "This way up" and I know what that means.
The box said "This way up" and I know what that means.
Does anyone remember what happened to Hitler when he decided that he could take on the entire world? Sure, the US could nuke all of its potential enemies, but the radiation caused by such an action would make things quite unhealthy for a few zillion years or so. Also, Russia is still capable of blowing up plenty of stuff.
Blowing up stuff...
Isn't really the objective...we just don't want pyschopaths to have the ability to do so. As for Russia, their nuclear program and capability is crumbling rapidly, due to a lack of maintenance and supplies...economically they won't be able to keep up more than a token missile presence within a decade...not that they're a primary problem at this time anyway. We need to solve the MidEast...one way or another...if there is ever to be any hope for a world ecomnomy and eventually world government. Big "if"... Q
Isn't really the objective...we just don't want pyschopaths to have the ability to do so. As for Russia, their nuclear program and capability is crumbling rapidly, due to a lack of maintenance and supplies...economically they won't be able to keep up more than a token missile presence within a decade...not that they're a primary problem at this time anyway. We need to solve the MidEast...one way or another...if there is ever to be any hope for a world ecomnomy and eventually world government. Big "if"... Q
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Anyone who's advising to actually use nuclear weapons for warfare, regardless against whom, deserves to be within a range of 200 miles of the explosion. Not close enough to die instantly, but close enough to 'enjoy' the fall-out and waste away slowly for 10 years. And certainly not within a bunker.
IMO, nuclear weapons are necessary to actually prevent a nuclear war.
IMO, nuclear weapons are necessary to actually prevent a nuclear war.
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The fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people than the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. Nukes just have a bad press. In many respects, they're less scary than a weaponized version of the bubonic plague. In the 14th Century, someone in the Middle East used a catapult to toss bodies of plague victims into a besieged port city in the Levant. Sailors trying to escape spread it to Italy and Southern France. One-third of the population of Europe died before it burned itself out.
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Umm what about the fallout effetcs of nukes??
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Unless we're talking a Doomsday exchange, fallout is a localized problem. Biowar with epidemic diseases, OTOH, could kill people all over the world. Even the advanced countries would have trouble treating their populations in time to do any good. As for the backward places, we need only to study the first European plague epidemic in the 14th Century. Whole districts were depopulated, with wolves feeding in the villages because there was no one left alive to bury the dead.
Strelnikov
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Hey Strel, I agree with ya 100% nuke em. You better be careful though if you speak out to strenuously against the mainstream of this site they will delete your posts for sure. You know big brother is always watching and you have to agree with them or else. Here comes the smirks again😀 😀 😀 😀
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Correction
That's not what I said, Talons. I was trying to make the point that there are worse things than nukes. As for actually using them, I agree with the US and British position that nuclear weapons are an appropriate response to an attack against us with weapons of mass destruction: nukes, gas and biologicals.
Strelnikov
That's not what I said, Talons. I was trying to make the point that there are worse things than nukes. As for actually using them, I agree with the US and British position that nuclear weapons are an appropriate response to an attack against us with weapons of mass destruction: nukes, gas and biologicals.
Strelnikov
I have an idea, why don't we just sit around and wait until Iraq or Iran or some third world whacko actually develops a weapon of mass destruction and uses it on us. Just like we waited until Bin Laden attacked on 9-11 and thousands of lives were lost before we aggresively pursued him. We are a reactionary country. If we don't become a more aggresive country thousands more lives will be lost in the near future. Forget politicaly correct, humane, inhumane, and all those other terms these reactionaries like to use. The lives of the many outweight the lives of the few. A total all out war against terrorism will cost military and civilian lives on both sides but it is a necessary evil to achieve peace in the future.
