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Medjugorje messages from Dec 25, 2001

Strelnikov said:
I don't share Q's dislike for large religious organizations. You need a cathedral to give you a place for the pipe organ.

Strelnikov


Back in the seventies and eighties there were some pizza places with pipe organs in them. They were called, "Pizza 'n Pipes". Oh I guess I went to one that was called "Roaring Twenties".

Granted, they were the theater pipe organs that were used to accompany silent movies. Not quite the same as a pipe organ used in a church or cathedral. And played a whole different way.
 
Pipes?

So for you its all about the pipes Strel? Interesting...

Omega, my humble friend, you are polite to a fault..lol! We shant see eye to eye on this, but you disagree very nicely, and so I won't continue to bandy the details endlessly with you on the topic! On another note, did you happen to see a recent article (Readers Digest or one of the Scientific Quarterlys...memory is getting spotty..sorry) discussing the fact that studies have shown the human brain is apparently "wired" to be able to allow us to experience a sense of disorientation that can lead to the state commomly called mystical transcendence? It discussed a study by D'Aquili (remember him from the 70's?...bigtime pyschiatrist) and Professor Newburg from U of Pennslyvania. Fairly evenhanded article with some surprising conclusions...you might want to hunt it up! Q --the not quite so humble, but barely proud. :zzzzz:
 
Did not see the article you mentioned. But I have been interested by articles dealing with the effects, if any, of prayer. Studies that have been done where ill people are divided into two groups. Those that were not being prayed for as far as the researchers knew and those whose names were given to a group for prayer without the patients knowledge. Findings seem to indicate that the group that was prayed for got better quicker and less of them died. Not a reliable study, I know, but what I find interesting is that the researchers say they are finding that the type of prayer seems to make no difference. In other words, Hindu or Buddhist prayers are just as effective as Christian prayers. Now, how do I explain that to my congregation?
 
December issue

It was the Digest, O. The article is titled on the cover...."The Science Of God." If you can't get ahold of it, I'll see if I can throw it up on here from the net.. Q
 
Strel, I'd get spooked by the van full o' youth, church or not. Then again, got pummeled pretty well as a kid, by a group of church-goin' boys with the wrong notion of how to deal wit' "my kind". Now, *I* know those boys were a bad example of what the church can hold, but that's part of the point, sir. The church, like the rest of the world, holds both good and bad. Religious leaders of all faiths get busted for sexually accosting folks, includin' kids. Church, like the world outside it, is a mixed bag.

As for the Pipes, there ARE places with pipe organs. Mind you, churches are usually fancier. They pay for that from the pockets of the attendees, too.

Omega, that study has been done more than once. Turns out, though, that having any sort of FAITH is the key. We, as a species, seem to need hope. Spirituality helps as well as religion. Trust me, brother. I had two strokes, and am more functional and "normal" than 95% of those suffering ONE stroke. Few suffering two strokes actually live. I ain't Christian. I've got faith in myself, as any Huron believin' what they're taught will tend to do. Didn't hurt that the damage to my head allowed for such.

Truth be told, I've more problems with the CHURCH as bodies of organized religion than I do wit' the folks believin' in any positive-minded faith. The church is why I have t'go to Canada to live on the reservation, 'cause the church was busy tryin' to "save" the Huron, and gave 'em booze and disease, without thinkin' about how their intrusion would affect folks. How'd they and the government solve that? By restrictin' the native populace to small tracts of unwanted land.

Yeah, it's my country too, and that's still the biggest shame of it. That we don't know to be embarassed is the sad part. The rough part is that such things tend to go around and come around. Anyone want a piece of that? I sure don't.

Religion is as good as each person involved, and the doctrine as preached and as defined. If the people are good, and the doctrine's written for love, and preached the same, it's good for all. It's the rest of the examples that lead to the mess involved, and again, that's PEOPLE doin' the wrong thing, and not the religion.

Religion and guns don't kill ya without someone workin' 'em for such, after all.

Another fine reason to believe that it's all about the love. The rest is detail, if you stick t'that part.

dvnc
 
dvnc,

I have a cousin who was adopted by my aunt and uncle. Turns out he is native american, Ojibway. He also left the church, probably for some of the same reasons you have. (Didn't mean to imply that you were ever part of the church) Anyway, he now follows the spirituality of his biological heritage. He has survived several heart attacks.

Much too often people in the church forget about 1 Corinthians chapter 13, the love chapter. Paul writes about all kinds of great and good things that Christians can do or say but then reminds us that without love we are nothing. He ends that section by saying that only three things are important: hope, faith and love; and the greatest of these is love.

May this preacher never forget that the greatest of these is love.

cue music:
"I'd like to give the world a Coke"
 
Great reference, omega, even WITH the silly seventies tune! I'm down wit' that apostle fellow, Paul. Funny, too, 'cause I got a passel o' faith and hope, too. Love sorta inspires such things, really. Gotta dig that.

dvnc
lovin' the love
 
RE

Most of this thread and a couple of other threads had posed the question - "If there is a God and He is both wholly good and wholly omnipotent, then why is there evil in the world?"

I got a newsletter the other day in the mail from the Rosary Confraternity and that very issue is addressed in length. I tried to post the entire article here, but it was far too large. For anyone interested in reading and or discussing it, it's here: http://www.calltochrist.com/problemevil.html

Peace,
Scott
http://www.calltochrist.com

P.S. I also finally managed to get all the Divine Mercy messages up if anyone is interested in reading them.
 
dvnc said:
Great reference, omega, even WITH the silly seventies tune! I'm down wit' that apostle fellow, Paul. Funny, too, 'cause I got a passel o' faith and hope, too. Love sorta inspires such things, really. Gotta dig that.

dvnc
lovin' the love

I am amazed that you are "down wit'" the apostle Paul. Yes, he does talk about faith. In Ephesians he wrote "In Jesus and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence." And in Philippians he wrote, ". . . at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

When Paul mentions faith, he specifically means faith in Jesus. Is that the apostle Paul that you are "down wit'?
 
Silly 70's Tune

National Lampoon did a spoof of the Coke ad for a subscription ad around 1972. Many times, thinking about it prevented the onset of diabetic shock from hearing the sugary original. It went like this:

I'd like to teach the world to laugh,
And tell it jokes and stuff-
Then pull its pants down to its shoes,
And chase it through the rough.
Then tie it up with bonds and straps,
And check its purse for change,
And leave it out at Moose Grin Hall,
With our cousin, who's deranged.

Strelnikov
 
Seems to me that humans are hard-wired for music. Every culture has some kind of music, and they all (with the exception of a few hair-shirt Protestant sects) use it in religious services.

No, Q, it's not just the pipes. But kazoo, bandsaw and spoons just don't make it.

Strelnikov
 
Hey!

Spoons are harder than they look...and that slapping hurts...eventually!
 
omega said:


I am amazed that you are "down wit'" the apostle Paul. Yes, he does talk about faith. In Ephesians he wrote "In Jesus and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence." And in Philippians he wrote, ". . . at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

When Paul mentions faith, he specifically means faith in Jesus. Is that the apostle Paul that you are "down wit'?

LOL! Yep, preacher, that'd be the one. Still down wit' his previously referenced notion.

Whether or not Paul is interpreted as meaning faith in one specific faith, or faith in general, is irrelevant to me. Faith is good. Like love, it's a healing thing. Doesn't much matter to me if he was still thinking Jewish at the time. It's a good notion by any religion. 😉
 
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