Real, Unfaked, Tickling TORTURE

[Dirkman]

Dirkman -

A "Real, Unfaked, Tickling TORTURE" video requires:

a. A good-looking ticklee willing to experience diabolical tickling
b. A video producer with the nerve to set up and videotape a torturous tickling session, without worrying whether the ticklee will kill them, or worse, never do another video
c. A video producer that believes that the video will sell enough to be worth the effort

If you are holding your breath, you can stop now.

I see all over the net videos with the theme of "damsels in distress" and even "helpless heroines". In these videos there is a plot, a protaginist, and decent acting. All I ask is that there is some tickling involved. Check out "Of Sweet Suffering" for an example of good.
The Dirk

 

[Novus]

Tickle torture

Tickling does not have to be non-consentual to be truely torturious. Even Yaqi has done some rather torturious scenes and he has some of the strongest opinions against the non-consentual. Many models have consented to be really tickle tortured in videos over the years. MTP's Jenny video is highly torturious yet it was still consentual. The same can be said for TC's Of Sweet Suffering even though it has a non-consentual plot. Non-consentual and real, unfaked ticke torture are two seperate things.

 

[Dirkman]

Re: Tickle torture

Tickling does not have to be non-consentual to be truely torturious. Even Yaqi has done some rather torturious scenes and he has some of the strongest opinions against the non-consentual. Many models have consented to be really tickle tortured in videos over the years. MTP's Jenny video is highly torturious yet it was still consentual. The same can be said for TC's Of Sweet Suffering even though it has a non-consentual plot. Non-consentual and real, unfaked ticke torture are two seperate things.

You have completely misunderstood my point. I would just like to see some SCENARIOS. Read again, SCENARIOS. PLOTS. Rather then the boring old "lets tie Bubbles to a chair and tickle the shit out of her and then switch", I'd like to see "guy in a mask kidnaps Bubbles and brings her down to his dungeon and tickles her as she screams in terror" [acted out, once again, ACTED]. I've been browsing around the superheroine bondage pages lately. These videos have superheroines get caught and captured and tortued and seem to have scripted plots. I'd love to see a good foot tickling interrogation scene in a video like this. When the ticklee seems to hate the tickling, it is so much more exciting for me. If she "loves" it and wants more, I'd rather watch a John Tesh concert. Oh Lord, maybe I went too far with that.
Ze Dirko

 

[Dirkman]

Dirkman -

A "Real, Unfaked, Tickling TORTURE" video requires:

a. A good-looking ticklee willing to experience diabolical tickling
b. A video producer with the nerve to set up and videotape a torturous tickling session, without worrying whether the ticklee will kill them, or worse, never do another video
c. A video producer that believes that the video will sell enough to be worth the effort

If you are holding your breath, you can stop now.

Yes, but in this case, I am not asking for the real deal (although when foot paradise did it the first time whether it was real or fake, it was great) I am asking that video producers have a script in which some type of simulated nonconsensual tickling takes place. Much like "Of Sweet Suffering" by Realtickling. It is much more exciting then cutting right into a scene of pure tickling which is boring to me. 50% of this FETISH is the fantasy that goes along with it, the dominance, the scenario. When I first realized I had a tickling fetish, I was in Eighth Grade and there was this real bitchy girl, I'll call her Whitney although her real name was Janet 🙂. She was the hottest girl in school and she knew it and she had such an attitude. I dreamt of kidnaping her and bringing her to my basement and tying her up. She would obviously curse at me and say "Dirk you mother f'er, let me f'ing go you f'er" and then I would peel off her shoes and then she would say "no no, wait, you can't do that!!! please no!!!!.." I needn't finish the scenario because a lot of you have fantasized about the SAME thing. I've never had a fantasy where there is a slumber party and one girl goes "lets just start tickling each other for fun!" Whoopee. You guys DIG????? Anyone with me??
Dirk

 

[LEB]

Just to play 's advocate for a minute, what about a video which was completely NC, but where the victim "deserved" it for whatever heinous crimes they may have committed?

Like they've done some really nasty stuff to a woman; tried to split her husband up, set their house on fire, tried to poison their kids or whatever.

Would that make it OK?

Just wondered what everyone thought of that since the NC debate seems to be about bad men imposing their will on poor helpless women.

What if it was F/F with someone who "deserved" it?

LEB

 

[NYCity]

This is a great fantasy, and a favorite story line, but in real life, vigilante "justice" never is. And I could never justify that in good conscience.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Hey, Dirk... I totally understand what you are saying. NOW, that is.

Yeah, I was one of the guys who misunderstood what you were saying. and there are a few (FEW) videos like what you describe. I think Maybird put out a video in which an "aunt" demonstrated to her "nice" what punishment lied in store for her if she broke the rules, or some such thing, by first tickling the maid, then the girl herself. (and the women in the video speak German, so that's no help...) I'm not really sure of the plot, this is all info handed down through the years via the tickling grapevine. Also, Dianne Peerless did a videom where she's taken to a dungeon by a masked man and told to confess she's a spy, then the tickling begins... Am I getting close?

Why aren't there more videos like this? Several reasons, I guess.

1. A lot of people in the S&M world either don't take tickling seriously, or are "too ticklish" to indulge in it. I've met these people in my years of "searching".....

2. A lot of people are a little squeamish about something that looks like real torture, even if is fake or acted well. There was a series of Japanese videos called "Human Guinnea Pigs", showing the bloodiest, most awful and gorey realistic violenceeven... amputations in close up detail, stabbing, flowing blood, tremendously nasty stuff. But it was all fake. Charlie Sheen got a hold of one of these tapes and actually went to the FBI, believing he had faound an actual snuff film, that's how real this stuff was. After an investigation, it all came out that it was faked, and on the rest of the other "Guinnea Pigs" tapes, they always had some behind the scenes footage of how the stuff was done. So something fake but tremendously realistic could disturb people, and even bring problems to the makers of such things.

3. Many people just aren't that into the idea, so there's not that much money to be made by tickling video producers. People tend to feel safer, I guess, with the more playful scenarios you describe, even if the tickling is as intense as the non-playful stuff.

 

[Oddjob0226]

"Just to play 's advocate for a minute, what about a video which was completely NC, but where the victim "deserved" it for whatever heinous crimes they may have committed? "


Hmmmm... now things are getting interesting! A philisophical look at tickling for punishment. Well....


In the context of a fantasy, I'm all for it.

Going outside the law - well, I would be against it.

BUT, what if it was okay, under the law as punishment to tickle someone intensly for 20, 30 minutes or more - as long as there were no health problems with the covicted person - by correctional agents?I couldn't go out & say someone desrved something any more than performing any other traditional act of vigilantism... but what if a court of law did?

That would be interesting. We still spank in our schools. Lots of countries still use physical punishment in their penal code, and while we in the U.S. like to say we are against that type of thing, lately with all the terrorist and child abuse stories comming out, there have been some low rumblings about what people "deserve".

So now I have to examine.. could I do it? Or watch it happen? To be horribly honset, under extreme conditions, I think I could. I'm not saying this is a GOOD thing, but this is a great form for this type of discussion, and honesty seems to be favored here. I'm not saying I'd tie up my cheating nehibor or anything. But waht if I was in a war and had a captured enemy soldier with valuable information - information that would save American lives, even the lives of the enemy soldier's (preferrable female in my perverted mind) people, in the long run (ie, hit them at a weak point and the war is over quicker =less death all around). Could I do tickle someone unconsentingly then? I think so. So, under CERTAIN CONDITIONS, I think I could.

And before anyone tells me how terrible I am, I've never done this to anyone and don't plan on doing such a thing (well, NJJenn I might make an exception for! Why, if anyone deserves it......). Besides, I'm not alone. When I was in college I read an interesting article about the use of torture (electricity, actually, without the danger of scarring or heart stoppage) in "civilized" countries, the specific question being raised: In extreme cases, and only cases where there is NO question of guilt, could physical means morally be used to get information from a gulty, but uncooperating party? Should the laws of such things be rethought? One of the examples given was what if someone knew where a bomb was planted, but wouldn't give up the info. Another example was this: mothers were asked: if their child was kidnapped and the kidnapper was found, but refused to divulge where the child was, would the mother approve of electricity being used on the prisoner to get the information out of him? All said yes, one mentioning that she would apply the electrodes herself.

So, I guess I'm not the only one with "issues". But if anyone is worried about me, I have been to a NEST and behaved well, I'm planning my own gathering, and want to attend others. I correspond with a number of people on this forum, and so far have been a good boy.

 

[NYCity]

[B
Another example was this: mothers were asked: if their child was kidnapped and the kidnapper was found, but refused to divulge where the child was, would the mother approve of electricity being used on the prisoner to get the information out of him? All said yes, one mentioning that she would apply the electrodes herself.
[/B]

You raise an interesting issue, but that's exactly why we have judges and juries. People whose role it is to look at evidence as DISpassionately and objectively as possible. OF COURSE the mother of a kidnapped child would say that. None of could make the same type of decision when a friend or family member is involved.

Heaven forbid, if someone did something terrible to someone in my family, my pure emotional reaction would be to tear that person apart with my bare hands, but of course, in a supposedly civilized society, I am not permitted to do that, or to even decide what happens to the person. Nor should I be, because I can't see the situation from all sides like someone independent could. Hence, we have police, judges, juries, etc.

To relate this to tickling (oh yeah, I knew I had a tickling point to make) most of us on this forum (OK, me anyway) would probably be biased in FAVOR of tickling the person, even if the evidence were on the fence as to guilt or innocence. Put a gorgeous POW in front of me, tell me she has info like you described, and I'd be pre-disposed to tickling the daylights out of her, and would probably be geared toward skipping a thorough review of the evidence do determine whether your accusation was true or false.

That means I'd end up tickling the hell out of a lot of innocent beautiful women for no reason.

Hey, wait a minute....

 

[Oddjob0226]

>>>>>You raise an interesting issue, but that's exactly why we have judges and juries. People whose role it is to look at evidence as DISpassionately and objectively as possible. OF COURSE the mother of a kidnapped child would say that.<<<<<<

It's a great topic for debate, and there isn't really an easy answer, but in the article I read, the ultimate crux of the question was that these acts would indeed be done as part of the judicial system, not just someone off the street full of revenge or wrath. Also, such physical means would be done only in cases where the person was obviously guilty and only for the gaining of information, not as punishment ( say a person was caught and there was not only obvious physical evidence showing that they had planted a bomb somewhere, but they also admitted to it for political & religous reasons. Now the only thing that had to be done was to find that bomb.)


>>>>Hence, we have police, judges, juries, etc. <<<<

More and more, crime victims are being allowed to testify in court during the punishment phase. And this has nothing to do with getting information - it the PUNISHMNET PHASE! Of course, tickling isn't one of the choices of punishment......

>>>>>>Put a gorgeous POW in front of me, tell me she has info like you described, and I'd be pre-disposed to tickling the daylights out of her, and would probably be geared toward skipping a thorough review of the evidence do determine whether your accusation was true or false. <<<<

Well, my example was a heat of battle situation where an enemy soldier did have at least something to give... names, troop movements, types of weaponry, battle plans, whatever... but your way works for me too!

>>>>>That means I'd end up tickling the hell out of a lot of innocent beautiful women for no reason. <<<<<


*Sigh* Not that I don't try....

 

[Novus]

Re: Re: Tickle torture

You have completely misunderstood my point. I would just like to see some SCENARIOS. Read again, SCENARIOS. PLOTS. Rather then the boring old "lets tie Bubbles to a chair and tickle the shit out of her and then switch", I'd like to see "guy in a mask kidnaps Bubbles and brings her down to his dungeon and tickles her as she screams in terror" [acted out, once again, ACTED]. When the ticklee seems to hate the tickling, it is so much more exciting for me.
Ze Dirko

Not that I am disagreeing with your opinions in any way but I just like introduce new perspectives. I understand you 100% about it being better and more exciting when the ticklee hates the tickling. Our opinions are very similar when it comes to stuff like that.

Keeping that in mind, all tickling videos are a real life scenario in a way. Most of the models who do videos are only doing it for the money and not because they want to be tickled out of their mind. Think of it this way: circumstance kidnaps "Bubbles" so that she has to do a tickling video or the repo man is going to take her car. She really hates to be tickled but she needs that car to survive and the only way to get the money is to do a tickling video. She is still tickled and she still screams in terror and their is really nothing she can do about it. Each tickling video is like a reality show because it is unscripted and unfaked. If the videos talked about the model's background and why they were doing the video before the tickling started this might be more clear. Otherwise you have to do reasearch to find this information out.

 

[BigJim]

Who's "we"? We don't spank in schools where I live, and if anybody tried it with any kid of mine, they wouldn't get tickled in return, I can promise you that.

EQ, I think that be refering to certain private schools. Especially ones run by the Catholic Church. I do not know how modern such information is, but if it has been totally discarded, then they would have been among the last to do it.

 

[BigJim]

Re: Tickle torture

MTP's Jenny video is highly torturious yet it was still consentual.

Just imagine what it's have been like if Brian had gotten a hold ogf her!

 

[BigJim]

Not round here...I was raised Catholic and attended parochial schools during part of my upbringing, and the nuns never laid a finger on me or my four sibs. By contrast, a public school teacher spanked me once and both my parents tore her a big, fat, new one. Some "Christian" schools, on the other hand, do administer corporal punishment, and for that the adults should be publicly flogged.

Sorry for the digression...I now return you to "Real, Unfaked, Tickling TORTURE"....which is already in progress. 😉

I'm certain you're right EQ, and I don't intend to denigrate your upbringing. The schools I was refering to are private ones that are all male. I don't know anything about public catholic schools, especially those that are multi-sex pupiled, so my opinion doesn't apply to them. Presumably it's that type of school you were refering to? And by the way, good for your mum and dad! If that sort of thing was taken out of my hands as a parent, I'd tear a hole in the schools bank account too!

 

[Novus]

Re: Re: Tickle torture

Just imagine what it's have been like if Brian had gotten a hold of her!

Now that would be one great video that is if Jenny could last at all. She will never do another video but there are many more people like her out there. Time will tell.😀

 

[BigJim]

Re: Re: Re: Tickle torture

Now that would be one great video that is if Jenny could last at all. She will never do another video but there are many more people like her out there. Time will tell.😀

One thing that I'm not sure if TC vids contain are safewords. I know Magic Touch ones do because I've heard tem used. Maybe Kathy and Brian just edit them out. I have to say that if she had use of a safeword with Brian, she would'nt last 20 seconds! I mean no disrespect to Jeff, but he isn't in the same league with Brian as a tickler. IMHO he's way to merciful and slow. That is the only hole I can pick on him though. Shame it's such a noticable one.

Jenny was obviously a very sensitive girl, but barely a giggle escaped from her during that video, let alone a belly laugh. If TIB had taken her to task, she have cracked all the windows.

 

[BellaRisa]

Should Bella do it?

One thing that I'm not sure if TC vids contain are safewords. I know Magic Touch ones do because I've heard tem used. Maybe Kathy and Brian just edit them out. I have to say that if she had use of a safeword with Brian, she would'nt last 20 seconds! I mean no disrespect to Jeff, but he isn't in the same league with Brian as a tickler. IMHO he's way to merciful and slow. That is the only hole I can pick on him though. Shame it's such a noticable one.

Jenny was obviously a very sensitive girl, but barely a giggle escaped from her during that video, let alone a belly laugh. If TIB had taken her to task, she have cracked all the windows.

Hmmm...I think Brian and Jeff are both awesome just for starting their companies, much less their individual techniques. Now, having said that: I've actually played with Jeff at a gathering, I reeeeeaally don't think of him as merciful (ah, memories...) 😎 Also, my all time favorite Magic Touch video, #1 of the For You series, has Jeff tickling Mary's underarms and upperbody so intensely and for so LONG that I have never been able to watch the entire vid at once-it's too easy for me to imagine myself in her place, and then I can't concentrate (the hallmark of a truly excellent video for me). The poor girl is a dishrag at the end, all sweaty and weak-kneed and adorable. My kinda flick .

Ok, I'm curious. What if I were to do the type of nonconsensual plot that has been described? I can very easily have my top play the psycho villian who kidnaps me, ties me up and tickles the living hell out of me "against my will" while I curse him, beg and plead, etc. You folks *know* that it would be just a plot-would you still want it, if it were well done? Be honest.

Bella

 

[BigJim]

Re: Should Bella do it?

Hmmm...I think Brian and Jeff are both awesome just for starting their companies, much less their individual techniques. Now, having said that: I've actually played with Jeff at a gathering, I reeeeeaally don't think of him as merciful

Bella

I didn't intend any offence to Jeff Bella. I still buy his videos (I've got 12 as of last count😀) I just tend to stick these days to ones with particularly good lees or alternative ticklers. I really like Magic Touch as a company and although I have mentioned this subject a few times, I'm not onto a Jeff-bashing run. 🙂

And to answer your question......YEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!! I would sure as hell want it. 😀😀😀

 

[BellaRisa]

Re: Re: Should Bella do it?

I didn't intend any offence to Jeff Bella. I still buy his videos (I've got 12 as of last count😀)

No problem, Jim, I didn't think you were picking on him at all, I'm sorry if I implied as much. I'm just saying that I think he *can* be a force to be reckoned with when he wants to be Heck, I could be a brat and pick on him myself about his bondage occasionally being too loose-unless of course, I was tied at the time... Kidding, I'm KIDDING, I love you Jeff...

Bella

 

[Dirkman]

Re: Re: Re: Tickle torture

Not that I am disagreeing with your opinions in any way but I just like introduce new perspectives. I understand you 100% about it being better and more exciting when the ticklee hates the tickling. Our opinions are very similar when it comes to stuff like that.

Keeping that in mind, all tickling videos are a real life scenario in a way. Most of the models who do videos are only doing it for the money and not because they want to be tickled out of their mind. Think of it this way: circumstance kidnaps "Bubbles" so that she has to do a tickling video or the repo man is going to take her car. She really hates to be tickled but she needs that car to survive and the only way to get the money is to do a tickling video. She is still tickled and she still screams in terror and their is really nothing she can do about it. Each tickling video is like a reality show because it is unscripted and unfaked. If the videos talked about the model's background and why they were doing the video before the tickling started this might be more clear. Otherwise you have to do reasearch to find this information out.

Yes, but these models don't play the game good. The German Playboy chick in Variety Of Giggles by TC was obviously EXTREMELY tickish and I bet she needed some cash. But she got tied up and took her torture with all smiles and it just didn't do much for me. If TC made a little plot where she was some cruel boss or spy and she got kidnapped and between tickles cursed or screamed and pleaded more for mercy, it would have been one hell of a winner. I really get NO rush from just watching a girl get tied up and tickled. I'm not trying to offend TC, but there newest release appears to be exactly what I'm talking about. Apparently a lot of people like that sort of thing, the simple "here is a girl, she is going to be tied up and we will tickle her. the end." What doesn't make sense to me, is the fact that I have never read any erotic tickling story that people here have been writing for the last few years where the story went "once upon a time there was this girl and she got willingly tied up and tickled". I have read a lot of kidnapings, spy interrogations, etc. So given this, I was under the impression that most people dug what I dig, the scenario, the fantasy, the "nonconsensual torture" with the use of tickling. But I guess I'm in a minority on this one.
The Dirk

 

[Dirkman]

Re: Should Bella do it?

Hmmm...I think Brian and Jeff are both awesome just for starting their companies, much less their individual techniques. Now, having said that: I've actually played with Jeff at a gathering, I reeeeeaally don't think of him as merciful (ah, memories...) 😎 Also, my all time favorite Magic Touch video, #1 of the For You series, has Jeff tickling Mary's underarms and upperbody so intensely and for so LONG that I have never been able to watch the entire vid at once-it's too easy for me to imagine myself in her place, and then I can't concentrate (the hallmark of a truly excellent video for me). The poor girl is a dishrag at the end, all sweaty and weak-kneed and adorable. My kinda flick .
Bella

I think Brian, Jeff, the Silvercherry Guy, and even Foot Paradise are all amazing for starting up their own company. I would just to see more variety and more action taken to play out scenarios and fantasies. Foot Paradise seemed to do that A LOT but with all due respect, with less then perfect models who weren't as ticklish as I'd like and dare I say some faking. But I thought their Nonconsenual tape was amazing, even if the model wasn't the exotic beauty that I would have liked (Dirk is picky). TC had a real winner with "Of Sweet Suffering", loved that one. I'm looking into the whole FM "Tickle Hell" thing although given FM's history, I will start out with little faith. Jeff does his thing and people like it and thats cool, but its not my bag at all.

Btw, One thing that REALLY ruins a video for ME is when the ticklee is interviewed about the experience. Way too consensual for me.

The best stuff comes from S&M vids and places like insex, where it is about torture and S&M with unexpectd tickling but done in a respectful, classy way. I also love it when I am watching an S&M video and the domina improvises by tickling the model who did not expect to be tickled and wouldn't have signed on if she knew.

I really hope that more videos come out with fantasy plots of nonconsensual torture. I'd really like to hear what the TIB has to say about this but it appears like he avoids my threads like the plague.
The Dirk

 

[BigJim]

You thought FP's Non-con video was amazing? Did you actually approve of that?

 

[BigJim]

I would'nt say I was against plots Dirk. The only reason I liked the look of the new DVD more than their recent releases was because it wasn't tacky and chasing itself down porno-imitation alley. I like plots and even costumes.

 

[Dirkman]

You thought FP's Non-con video was amazing? Did you actually approve of that?

First off, it is my opinion that it was staged and not actually nonconsenual. I think the girl acted great though. Second, in the case that it was real (it wasn't though) the "hooker" signed a release and got paid and she was ok with the video being released, and therefore I would have no problem with it. Once again, tons more exciting then the slumber party tickle tapes.
Dirk

 

[amk714]

First off, it is my opinion that it was staged and not actually nonconsenual. I think the girl acted great though. Second, in the case that it was real (it wasn't though) the "hooker" signed a release and got paid and she was ok with the video being released, and therefore I would have no problem with it. Once again, tons more exciting then the slumber party tickle tapes.
Dirk

Dirk, what makes you think it was staged? And when the "hooker" signed the release, did she know she was going to get tickled?