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Real, Unfaked, Tickling TORTURE
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BigJim said:
i thought f.p.'s non-consentual video stunk.
aside from the obvious points, having a woman scream, swear, and cry, isn't the sounds i want to hear when i tickle her! i want laughter, and this video had little of that.
steve
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I think you're right, after they paid (read: bribed) her not to go to the police. I know that people have compared that to rape, and whether that's vaild or not, I don't know, but if a woman WAS raped, and then the rapist paid her a lot of money not to report the crime to the police, and she took the money, would that make it OK? What if she signed some sort of a "release" while taking the money, crying her eyes out, and then trying to get on with the rest of her life.
Would that make it OK?
Krokus said:
I think you're right, after they paid (read: bribed) her not to go to the police. I know that people have compared that to rape, and whether that's vaild or not, I don't know, but if a woman WAS raped, and then the rapist paid her a lot of money not to report the crime to the police, and she took the money, would that make it OK? What if she signed some sort of a "release" while taking the money, crying her eyes out, and then trying to get on with the rest of her life.
Would that make it OK?
Dirkman said:
According to FP, she signed that release AFTER the fact. If you went through what she went through (assuming they didn't lie through their teeth about it being real) then it is not totally suprising. No-one is saying that the tape was illegally released. IF it was real, then she was put through something that was physically distressing and genuinely had her in fear for her safety and possible even her life. THAT was highly illegal. In the UK it would have constituted ABH, Acutal Bodily Harm and would probably also have been Indecent Assualt. I have one big fuck off problem with that video, because regardless of whether she signed it afterwards and gave them the ability to sell it, it was an illegal act and a serious breach of trust and human rights. There is a lot of difference in a willing lee begging the tickler to stop and that girl screaming, crying and begging for her freedom.
If most girls who were hard up for money had gone through something like that and then been offered many times her fee for the right to sell it, the I'd be suprised if any of them turned it down. Kind of like "I suffered enough while it was happening, might as well make some money out of it." This whole debate stems from FP's official line that it was a true even and not staged. Given that I am stunned how anyone can be "okay" with it.
I totally agree with Steve on all the points he made. A face screwed up with ticklish agony can be alovely thing for both parties, but this wasn't anything like what I want to watch. She was afraid and the thought of "They must know this illegal.What are they gonna do to me afterwards to stop me talking?" must have crossed her mind. FP suck chuggnuts out of a dog's arse for this and anyone who can say that they agree with what they did must have several moral screws loose.
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Damn right! NYC that is it in a nutshell. When that fat turd said "It's not like you were raped or anything!" to her afterwards I know beyond all shadow of a doubt that I'd have knocked the fucker out if I'd been able to be physically there.
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NYCity said:
Damn right! NYC that is it in a nutshell. When that fat turd said "It's not like you were raped or anything!" to her afterwards I know beyond all shadow of a doubt that I'd have knocked the fucker out if I'd been able to be physically there.
😡amk714 said:
At the end where they untied her there is an obvious EDIT which shows that it was fake. I bet they shot that last scene a few times, the "You fucker!" scene until they got it right. This was a beautifully staged plot and the girl DOES laugh in between curses and it is great in my opinion.
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I have to say that I'm learning quite a bit from this thread, and the one I started about nonconsensual tickling-thank you to all who are participating!
My thoughts on noncon are very diverse. For one thing, I have never, ever ever, known a person who was afraid or furious to laugh when tickled. Ever. There are people here who can attest to my borderline insane ticklishness, but if I'm angry with you or if I'm afraid of you, there won't be one giggle. Jerky movement, yes, but no laughter. You may as well just stand there pinching me, I'll be just as responsive. And I promise you, once I'm loose you're going to have a problem on your hands.
Now, having said that, I also find a completely willing ticklee boring as hell-in the sense that I think Dirkman and others mean. If a 'lee just lies there spread eagle and asks to be tickled, then just giggles lying there like a dead fish, it's nowhere near as much fun. Heck it's annoying and feels like a waste of time. I prefer someone like myself, who shrieks and begs and can't form sentences and tries to basically levitate away-but wants to play again the second they've caught their breath
This is what I suspect the average noncon fan wants as a ticklee-someone who hates it while it's happening, but loves it before and after.
I'll add this, as I'm curious about what others have to say. A big part of my 'kink' is the dominant attitude of the tickler, right before he starts to tickle me. There is a certain look-narrowed eyes, small but eeeeevil smile-that every dominant male I've ever known has on his face when he's had enough of whatever-bratty-thing-you're-doing, and is now going to tickle the daylights out of you. That's it, you're toast, nothing you can say will get you out of it
It's certainly fun to be tied down and tickled in a thought out, planned session, but my first love will always be losing that wrestling match and being held down for a thorough tickling that I 'deserve' 😎 .
Just my coupla cents
My thoughts on noncon are very diverse. For one thing, I have never, ever ever, known a person who was afraid or furious to laugh when tickled. Ever. There are people here who can attest to my borderline insane ticklishness, but if I'm angry with you or if I'm afraid of you, there won't be one giggle. Jerky movement, yes, but no laughter. You may as well just stand there pinching me, I'll be just as responsive. And I promise you, once I'm loose you're going to have a problem on your hands.
Now, having said that, I also find a completely willing ticklee boring as hell-in the sense that I think Dirkman and others mean. If a 'lee just lies there spread eagle and asks to be tickled, then just giggles lying there like a dead fish, it's nowhere near as much fun. Heck it's annoying and feels like a waste of time. I prefer someone like myself, who shrieks and begs and can't form sentences and tries to basically levitate away-but wants to play again the second they've caught their breath
This is what I suspect the average noncon fan wants as a ticklee-someone who hates it while it's happening, but loves it before and after. I'll add this, as I'm curious about what others have to say. A big part of my 'kink' is the dominant attitude of the tickler, right before he starts to tickle me. There is a certain look-narrowed eyes, small but eeeeevil smile-that every dominant male I've ever known has on his face when he's had enough of whatever-bratty-thing-you're-doing, and is now going to tickle the daylights out of you. That's it, you're toast, nothing you can say will get you out of it
It's certainly fun to be tied down and tickled in a thought out, planned session, but my first love will always be losing that wrestling match and being held down for a thorough tickling that I 'deserve' 😎 . Just my coupla cents
bella said:A big part of my 'kink' is the dominant attitude of the tickler, right before he starts to tickle me. There is a certain look-narrowed eyes, small but eeeeevil smile-that every dominant male I've ever known has on his face when he's had enough of whatever-bratty-thing-you're-doing, and is now going to tickle the daylights out of you. That's it, you're toast, nothing you can say will get you out of it
Just my coupla cents
Bella, are you sure we never knew each other in a previous life?
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Bella is of course right for the most part - if you are scared or angry from the get go, laughing from tickling rarely if ever happens (the one exception I've seen was the "Truants Tickle Torture" video I mentioned. The woman laughs while saying stop the whole time, never really into it, and eventally starts crying. Thankfully, at that point, the woman is relseaed and the video ends.
But I have seen people who were willing to be tickled at 1st, then tickled to the poin where they get angry.. But they continue laughing, so this leads me to believe that when tickling starts out negitive, it stays negative in a physiological way; if it starts out positive and becomes negative, "trappings" of the positive aspect (ie; the laughter) sticks around, feeding the tickler, egging him/her on....
Now back in the old days when tickling was still very much underground ( the early 1980s....) and I had to go looking though any bondage/S&M to find what I was looking for, I stumbled across a video or two that were made by a man and woman out of Las Vegas. These were really amaturish S&M tapes, bad VHS in a cheap hotel. It was clear that the woman being whipped (intensly) was a hooker they hired, and she was doing it only for the money. She was very tightly tied so she literally could not escape. And she was tightly gagged to prevent anything more than mournful moans. She was whipped by the man and the woman, taking turns, and they verbally treated her horribly - there was no affection, no fantasy. They treated her like a hooker would stereotypically be treated. It was all about sexual arousal through cruelty and pretty unpleasant. It wasn't even the pain these two were inflicting that made it bad, it was their arrogance and superiority over someone who needed $$.
But I have seen people who were willing to be tickled at 1st, then tickled to the poin where they get angry.. But they continue laughing, so this leads me to believe that when tickling starts out negitive, it stays negative in a physiological way; if it starts out positive and becomes negative, "trappings" of the positive aspect (ie; the laughter) sticks around, feeding the tickler, egging him/her on....
Now back in the old days when tickling was still very much underground ( the early 1980s....) and I had to go looking though any bondage/S&M to find what I was looking for, I stumbled across a video or two that were made by a man and woman out of Las Vegas. These were really amaturish S&M tapes, bad VHS in a cheap hotel. It was clear that the woman being whipped (intensly) was a hooker they hired, and she was doing it only for the money. She was very tightly tied so she literally could not escape. And she was tightly gagged to prevent anything more than mournful moans. She was whipped by the man and the woman, taking turns, and they verbally treated her horribly - there was no affection, no fantasy. They treated her like a hooker would stereotypically be treated. It was all about sexual arousal through cruelty and pretty unpleasant. It wasn't even the pain these two were inflicting that made it bad, it was their arrogance and superiority over someone who needed $$.
I'm a little confused. How could you want REAL Tickle torture then say you wanted it acted out with a plot. That does not seem real to me. As for all those supposed Non-Consenual videos I don't buy any of it. I never seen the video by Foot Paradise but I already can tell it is a fake.
1) Like Evil Queen said no one would ever risk going to prison to make a fetish tape that would sale at most a couple hundred copies.
2) Even if the prostitute did sign a release they still commited an illegal action. It is illegal to solicit a prostitue for sexual favors even if you do not go through with them. So they just recorded an illegal action on tape and they are selling it on their website. That seems like a smart idea.
3) If what Big Jim say is true and this girl was afraid for her life, she would not have continued to be ticklish. Extreme fear and extreme anger would have created an adrenaline rush and any ticklish sensation would have been shut down. The only way this girl would have stayed ticklish was if she knew she wasn't in any real danger.
This video is definitely a fake. As for the girl that was tricked into being tied up and tickled three diffrent times, Yeah I believe that one. The excuse that she was blond, yeah whatever.
1) Like Evil Queen said no one would ever risk going to prison to make a fetish tape that would sale at most a couple hundred copies.
2) Even if the prostitute did sign a release they still commited an illegal action. It is illegal to solicit a prostitue for sexual favors even if you do not go through with them. So they just recorded an illegal action on tape and they are selling it on their website. That seems like a smart idea.
3) If what Big Jim say is true and this girl was afraid for her life, she would not have continued to be ticklish. Extreme fear and extreme anger would have created an adrenaline rush and any ticklish sensation would have been shut down. The only way this girl would have stayed ticklish was if she knew she wasn't in any real danger.
This video is definitely a fake. As for the girl that was tricked into being tied up and tickled three diffrent times, Yeah I believe that one. The excuse that she was blond, yeah whatever.
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bella, i too love the tickle/wrestling match
when neither is tied down, and the ticklee thinks they may have a chance. i don't get that look you decribe though. that's a dead give away! i go for the stealth mode, smile hum, what ever. but oh boy when her back is turned, those hips are toast!
this is both consentual, and non-consentual, at the same time. the ticklee didn't lay down, and say "come and get it big boy", (not that i wouldn't be on her like white on rice mind you).
i do understand where dirkman is comming from, and agree with him to a point. i have never liked the idea of tickling at a girls slumber party. and i would like to see a video along the lines he's saying, but it should be staged, never real. a thought a f.p. video better than non-con. was the "boogy man" video. it had the elements, and the laughter. f.p.claimes the ticklee (older, and oriental, and pretty) didn't know she was to be tickled so much, and was really begging for it to stop. but the laughter didn't stop.that's a better video in my opinion.
steve
when neither is tied down, and the ticklee thinks they may have a chance. i don't get that look you decribe though. that's a dead give away! i go for the stealth mode, smile hum, what ever. but oh boy when her back is turned, those hips are toast!
this is both consentual, and non-consentual, at the same time. the ticklee didn't lay down, and say "come and get it big boy", (not that i wouldn't be on her like white on rice mind you).
i do understand where dirkman is comming from, and agree with him to a point. i have never liked the idea of tickling at a girls slumber party. and i would like to see a video along the lines he's saying, but it should be staged, never real. a thought a f.p. video better than non-con. was the "boogy man" video. it had the elements, and the laughter. f.p.claimes the ticklee (older, and oriental, and pretty) didn't know she was to be tickled so much, and was really begging for it to stop. but the laughter didn't stop.that's a better video in my opinion.
steve
Iggy pop said:
Having seen the video, I honestly believe it was real, for several reasons:
1. Some people in this world ARE stupid enough to do such a thing. Some people even make real snuff films.
2. The girl did NOT remain "ticklish" in the traditional sense. She wasn't laughing, not by any stretch. She was scared as hell, mad as hell, and screaming for her life. EXACTLY the kind of reaction you would expect in such a situation.
3. I have ordered a bunch of videos from this company (none since) and except for this one, they all arrived in cases with extensive artwork, that was very much in theme with the video, usually a drawing of a beautiful woman, tien and laughing and smiling. This one came in a plain black case with nothing on the outside, like they knew it was something dirty, and they didn't want to call attention to it. Now I may not have 25 years marketing experience, but I don't believe it was part of an elaborate marketing plan to make it appear illicit.
4. If this WAS a fake, this woman is the greatest actress in the history of mankind.
5. If a this WAS a fake, and it were that easy to do, some of the other companies could have done it to this level too. I have never seen "Without Consent" but I have NEVER seen anything that even comes close to this.
I really hope I am wrong in all of this. I know this company is unpopular on this forum, and I don't know all the details why - they are none of my business, but I hope that people aren't letting that get in the way of objectivity on whether this particular thing is the real deal. Iggy, while I don't condone purchasing, and therefore supporting, such a disturbing thing, I believe your opinion might change if you actually saw the video somehow (it's times like this when I wish we had a TMF library.)
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>>>>>>1) Like Evil Queen said no one would ever risk going to prison to make a fetish tape that would sale at most a couple hundred copies. <<<<
Well, the underground fetish video world isn't always filled with scrupulous - or intellegent - people. I can see someone doing it if they haven't thought it through. If it was real, then people of this mentality might also think that a model signing a release waves all legal problems, which isn't neccisarrily true.
>>>>3) If what Big Jim say is true and this girl was afraid for her life, she would not have continued to be ticklish. <<<
From what I've seen in other videos, however, if someone starts out ticklish and is at least a little willing, that ticklishness lingers, even if it turns bad later; I'm not saying the laughter continues but that ticklish sensitivity is still there. The woman could still be "ticklish" even during her fear. It's just not fun or amusing anymore, illiciting the flurry of giggles.... the victim might become a real wild child
Well, the underground fetish video world isn't always filled with scrupulous - or intellegent - people. I can see someone doing it if they haven't thought it through. If it was real, then people of this mentality might also think that a model signing a release waves all legal problems, which isn't neccisarrily true.
>>>>3) If what Big Jim say is true and this girl was afraid for her life, she would not have continued to be ticklish. <<<
From what I've seen in other videos, however, if someone starts out ticklish and is at least a little willing, that ticklishness lingers, even if it turns bad later; I'm not saying the laughter continues but that ticklish sensitivity is still there. The woman could still be "ticklish" even during her fear. It's just not fun or amusing anymore, illiciting the flurry of giggles.... the victim might become a real wild child
Iggy pop said:
You have to watch it to appreciate it. 😀 (The TC one)
To think about whether the hooker would have stayed ticklish once she became afraid you have to remember what Oddjob said. At first when the tickling started she thought the guy was just fooling around. Then her anger increased by degrees over about 10 minutes. By the time the last 10 minutes of the video arrived she wasn't laughing at all; she was making a noise like a disembowelled crow.
Oddjob0226 said:
I agree with all of that, especially the "risk" issue. It takes no great breach of normal practice for a video company to put out something illegal. It doesn't hold water to say that tit was obviously faked because they could have made their money doing any other type of tickle torture either. If you follow what they say about it, it's apparent that they didn't do it for the money. They did it because they wanted to release a unique product.
The dickhead in the bandana says afterwards that the girl thanked them eventually and even went out to dinner with them. Oh really? If this video had been faked I would imagine that they'd have included a scene where she actually says that herself. It doesn't include it though. We just have to take his word for it.
If it is real and it bothers you then you can file a complaint with local authorities. Like I said soliciting a prostitute is illegal. And if you have the evidence on tape well their is no denying it... But I don't believe it is real. By the way the release this lady supposedly signed would be worthless. Any lawyer could state that the waiver was signed under dureess, and could use that tape as evidence to sue the company and shut it down. Like I said I don't believe this one is real, but it sounds like she did a good job acting.
Iggy pop said:
Well, the real unfaked TORTURE is what drives my fantasies about tickling and S&M, and due to this fact, I'd like to see some videos with this type of tickling acted out because we all seem to agree that its not entirely kosher, you dig? Read through the thread again if you don't understand what I mean.
The Dirk
Iggy pop said:
I thought the tape was great. To me it was acted out, but VERY well, they instructed her to start out slow and then freak out... Whatever, I dug it. Nonconsensual tickling can sometimes be cruel but the very idea of it gets me going, I'm not afraid to say it. I'm not an evil guy but I've had my share of nonconensual tickling with girls that I've dated who KNEW I would ultimately NEVER hurt them. One of them in particular got REALLY mad but a few days later everything was back to normal. And btw, I've seen plenty of great real nonconsensual tickling in some S&M vids where there is unscripted tickling, these scenes are the BEST.
I am apparently different from the majority here, I realize this now. and some of you might think less of me but you don't really know me, I'll say it again, I'm a NICE guy and I wouldn't hurt a fly. But I only like tickling a girl when she doesn't want it and hates it. The end.
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Dirkman said:
I don't think less of you at all Dirk, I think you're awesome for being so honest😎. As I've said, I'm into spanking as well as tickling, and when I play that way it's often about punishment, not fun. Those I play with also wouldn't hurt a fly, and would never ever really harm a girl-but give them a paddle or cane and a naughty schoolgirl...let's just agree that nice comes in different packages
I do have two questions: how do these girls you mention behave when you're done tickling? I mean immediately after. Do they beat you with various objects? Do they continue to be involved with you or do they decide you can't be trusted and split? I know how *I* am after someone's done something against my wishes...
Also, what about girls who hate it during, and kick/scream/try to chew through the rope, but love it after and in general? (there's a lot of us out there)
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>>>>>Nonconsensual tickling can sometimes be cruel but the very idea of it gets me going, I'm not afraid to say it. I'm not an evil guy but I've had my share of nonconensual tickling with girls that I've dated who KNEW I would ultimately NEVER hurt them.<<<<
Hey, your honesty opened up my honesty, and got an interesting debate going besides! We're all different here, by the definition of what the "vanilla" world may think. This is the one place it should be safe to bring uppotentially questionable or odd, even offensive topics related to the filed of tickling. Where else are we gonna go to explore these issues? It's a safty zone.
Don't worry about it, Dirk!
Hey, your honesty opened up my honesty, and got an interesting debate going besides! We're all different here, by the definition of what the "vanilla" world may think. This is the one place it should be safe to bring uppotentially questionable or odd, even offensive topics related to the filed of tickling. Where else are we gonna go to explore these issues? It's a safty zone.
Don't worry about it, Dirk!
NYCity said:
You are absoloutely right I have not seen the video, but after all this talk about it I'm kind of interested in seeing. Then again I'm not so interested that I feel like sending 45 bucks to this company. I based my opinion on the legality of the video. If what they say is true then they commited illegal actions which they could prosecuted for in criminal court and sued in civil court for. And they still advertise this on their website? Many people mentioned snuff films. It is the opinion of most law enforcement agencies(including the FBI) that the majority of snuff films are fakes.
