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the "baseball only" thread

Yes, everybody who saw the 1985 World Series remembers that bad call, still, 20 years later.
 
ticklingfeet4fu said:
You can't trust the White Sox announcers. They are homers like the Yankees announcers are. I was watching the Yankees postgame after they lost and they blamed the loss to the Angels on Bubba Crosby and that awful call made by Joe West the home plate umpire. But they don't blame Alex Rodriguez though he was 2 for 15 ( which is a .133 average ). Did the White Sox announcers tell you that they could not execute 2 sacrifice bunts or that they ran themselves out of another inning? I am positive they did not. They are not very objective so DO NOT take them at their word. Like Yankee announcers you would think that Randy Johnson didn't have a bad game 3. They focused on Bubba Crosby running into Gary Sheffield and that call. Like the other games did not matter. 😕
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I do think that if Sheffield caught that ball and that one bad call would have change the game, but then again the blew many chances that they cannot blame on anyone else. They left too many men on base, so yes a couple of other things could have affected the game but ultimately this game came down to lack of production and key hits. And this my friends is from a true Yankee fan. I will still love them, but they need to fire the Boss!!! LOL
 
Right now it's 2-1 Astros, top of the 7th. Let's hope there isn't a bad call in this one. :shock:
 
Ryne Sandberg's take on last night's call, and Eddings says he "should've sold it"

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By Ryne Sandberg, Yahoo! Sports
October 13, 2005

Many people are pointing fingers at home plate umpire Doug Eddings for making a bad call on A.J. Pierzynski's swinging third strike. The call will forever be debated – Did Eddings' closed fist mean strike three (that was dropped) or did it mean a strikeout?

Either way, with 40,000 Sox fans screaming, Josh Paul can't take anything for granted.

The Los Angeles Angels catcher should have checked with Eddings and made sure what the call was. Instead of trying to "sell" the inning-ending strikeout by rolling the ball back to the mound, Paul should have taken the extra second to either tag out Pierzynski or make the throw to first base.

It's impossible for any home plate umpire to make a call on a low pitch like that. He'll wait to see what develops afterward – whether the catcher asks him if he caught the ball, or tags the batter out, or steps out and throws to first. There's usually communication between the catcher and umpire. In this case, none of the above was done by Paul, who assumed Pierzynski had struck out.

I learned as a rookie not to be an umpire while I was playing. More often than not, if I tossed my bat to the dugout on a pitch that I thought was ball four, I would hear the umpire call a strike before I could leave the batter's box.

Also, while covering second base on steal attempts, we are told to "sell" the out by trying to convince the ump that we made the tag. We pop up and act like we're getting ready to throw the ball around the horn, or if there are two outs, we start running toward the dugout. However, in any of those cases, I would never just roll the ball back to the pitcher's mound. I would keep the ball in my glove and show that I got the out.

You can blame Eddings for his miscommunication, but it is also part of Paul's responsibility to understand what call is being made. He can't take a chance in that situation. Even if it was a blown call by the umpire, Paul showed poor basic fundamentals.

This controversy will be talked about until Game 3 begins Friday. Then, all will be forgotten – at least from the players' perspective. The Angels understand that human error is part of the game. That's one of the things that makes baseball so perfect.

The Angels are professionals and led by one of baseball's best managers, Mike Scioscia, who handled Wednesday night's controversy brilliantly. He was very frustrated, but he understood that any derogatory comments toward the umpires would do nothing but cause more controversy. He realized that his team could've done more to win that game.

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'I should've sold it'

Tom Verducci, SI.com

ANAHEIM -- The umpire who made the controversial dropped third strike call in Game 2 of the American League Championship Series said yesterday he "absolutely" made the right call, but admitted he was wrong in the manner in which he called it.

"I think I've got to change my mechanic a little," Doug Eddings said upon arriving at John Wayne Airport in Santa Ana, Calif. Eddings' raised, clenched fist for a strike call is similar to a traditional out call. "That's why I feel bad. I should have given a safe sign."

Eddings admitted he called a dropped third strike more emphatically earlier in the game.

With two outs in the ninth inning of a 1-1 game, Chicago catcher A.J. Pierzynski missed a low, full count pitch from Los Angeles reliever Kelvim Escobar. Angels third-string catcher Josh Paul thought he caught the ball without it striking the ground and immediately rolled the ball toward the mound, which Escobar had vacated on his way to the dugout. Pierzynski, after taking one step toward his own dugout, realized Eddings had made no audible out call and sprinted to first base. Eddings did indicate a third strike by raising his right first, but made no physical or audible call to indicate the ball hit the ground.

"I should have sold it either way," he said.

He admitted he was surprised to see Paul roll the ball to the mound.

"Nine times out of 10 if there is any question the catcher tags him," Eddings said.

Paul said after the game he rolled the ball back instead of tagging Pierzynski because he said he was convinced he caught the ball without it striking the ground. Replays were inconclusive.

When asked if Eddings' actions behind him had no bearing on his decision to roll the ball to the mound, Paul said, "That's correct."

Pierzynski was replaced by pinch-runner Pablo Ozuna, who stole second and scored the game-winning run on a double by Joe Crede.

Eddings and his fellow umpires were met and escorted at the airport by a security officer from major league baseball as well as two armed Orange County sheriffs.

Asked if he felt he made the right call on the pitch, Eddings replied,

"Absolutely. I felt it bounced. I know others have their own opinions."

Eddings said he received voice mail messages from "just about all" other major league umpires as well as several NHL officials supporting his call.

"It makes you feel good," said Eddings. "I've wanted to do this job since I was 13 or 14 years old. I love my job. I still do."

As part of the routine postseason umpire rotation, Eddings is scheduled to work the rightfield line at Angels Stadium for Game 3 Friday night.
 
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Is anyone else watching Game 3 of the Angels/White Sox series besides me and mila? 😀
 
I guess nobody else was watching. I caught the end of game 4 when I got home from out of town last night.
 
I live in Chicago, but I've never seen so many bad calls go against one team in a series! I wonder if the umps bet on the White Sox or something. Or maybe they got told by their higher ups that the White Sox in the World Series would get great ratings because they haven't been in one in so long, so do what you can to help them out. I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.
 
I never attribute to malice what can be explained by simple incompetence. It's a shame that it affected the outcome of the game.
 
yeah but if it was just imcompetence, there would be an equal number of bad calls going the Angels way, don't you think? Last night's game was just a joke, and I'm pulling for the White Sox cause I'm in Chicago, but it was still a joke!
 
The whole series has gone the White Sox way. The no-calls in Game 4 (catcher's interference and two tags the umps missed) favored them. But I do credit the Sox pitchers (three complete games in a row) with shutting down the Angels hitters, as well as their defense. Also Paul Konerko has been great, and the Angels pitching has been shaky. I'm hoping for an Angels win but if the Sox advance, I'll be the first to congratulate them and root for them to win it all. Can't blame everything on the umps, as bad as they are sometimes. 😕
 
The umpiring was less than stellar in the Cardinals/Astros game that just ended, too. 🙁
 
The home plate umpire was horrible in the Astros and Cardinal game. That being said the Cardinal bats seem to have gone cold at the wrong time. I have to admit an Astros vs White Sox World Series would be entertaining.
 
Yes, it would be the first World Series victory ever for the Astros, or the first since 1917 for the White Sox. 😱
 
That game was total crap! If umpires don't want people to yell at them, they shouldn't call strikies when the guy backed up to avoid being hit by the ball!!!

I don't want our team to break another stupid curse/superstition. First the Bambino with the Red Sox then the fact that the Astros have never gone to a World Series! :ignite:
 
My sympathies are with the Cards fans, looks like the umps have given them a hard time too. But my hat goes off to the Astros, and I congratulate the White Sox for beating my Angels with great pitching (four complete games in a row with the win by Jose Contreras). I'm betting Chicago will beat Houston in the World Series, but anything can happen, so we'll see. 😀
 
White Sox/Astros would be a better World Series than White Sox/Cards IMO, just because the Astros have better starting pitching and the Cards have too many injuries. But if the Cards were at full strength, I'd vote St Louis.
 
CaptainQuantum said:
White Sox/Astros would be a better World Series than White Sox/Cards IMO, just because the Astros have better starting pitching and the Cards have too many injuries. But if the Cards were at full strength, I'd vote St Louis.
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I think so. The Astros also have great starters like Pettite and Clemens, so there would be some great pitching duels with those two teams. If the Sox can shut down the Angels they can certainly do it to Houston or St. Louis. The bigger issue would be how the umpires call the games 😛, but whoevers wins deserves to, and I believe Chicago will. 😀
 
Pujols took Lidge deep for a 5-4 Cards lead! Now we'll see if the Astros can come back in the bottom of the 9th. What a game!
 
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