The direct approach DOES work!

[ViperGTS]

So, for you who saw my blog post about taking a few days off from the TMF, I have now returned.

Back to the topic of this post: I was at the store this evening with my lovely lady Sapphire, and we were browsing around the place when I caught a glimpse of the girl working behind the photocenter desk. She's about 5'8", black hair, blue eyes, and fucking GORGEOUS. After walking by, thinking, and getting my balls together for the encounter, I waked right up to her and asked her a very direct, to the point question.

"Hey - what would you say if I offered you $150 bucks, cash, to be in a tickling fetish video?"

She paused for a moment, and said, "I - I don't know!"

She was smiling and looking me in the eyes, and she had squared her shoulders to me, meaning she's either very outgoing and open minded, or a very good customer service rep.

I said, "Well, consider this to be me officially asking you. What do you think?"

Again, she paused.

I asked, "Have you ever done any modelling before? You're gorgeous and I bet you'd suit it well."

Her entire head started to turn pink. "Oh jeez, look, now you're making me blush!" she said, grinning.

I asked her if she was ticklish, and she said she was, very much so. I asked her if she had ever been tied up before, and she said no, but with a grin.

Long story short, I got her phone number, and I will be calling (well, probably texting her) tomorrow to see if she'd like to do an interview to be in a video.

So, the direct approach does work! With enough charisma, the right eye to know an open minded person when you see one, and a lack of hesitation, it is possible to get the exact response you're looking for!

I will keep everyone updated on how things turn out. It'd be awesome if she does a video or three with me!

**DISCLAIMER: I will not beheld responsible for any reactions or consequences resulting from the use of this technique by any users of this forum. If you attempt this technique with someone (which I DO NOT RECOMMEND and STRONGLY SUGGEST AGAINST if you are not fully confident in your ability to NOT come off as a perverted weirdo) and it turns out unfavorably, it weighs square on your shoulders.

If it works out and you find yourself a great tickle partner, I will totally take credit for giving you the idea, though.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

LOL you would 😛 Congrats, babe. Keep us posted

 

[alchemy]

Nice work, man! One thing that is fun about the direct approach is seeing the look on their faces as they are trying to process what's going on.

 

[subtle_feather]

I think the "direct approach," as you call it, is rude, potentially offensive and vaguely sociopathic. It is simply not good manners to offer someone money to be in a fetish video as the very first thing you ever say to them. Despite the obvious rudeness, you also have no idea who you are talking to when you say such a thing. I know at least a few people who would be deeply offended, and many more who would react with sneering derision.

I imagine you might say that, since the girl in question is mulling it over, that my point is moot. I would argue that the ends do not justify the means. This particular girl might not have minded, but many others would.

I also imagine that you believe that, if she had been reacted negatively, it would not affect anyone but you. I would argue that this sort of behavior gives people with fetishes of all kinds a bad name. You wouldn't walk up to someone and ask them to masturbate on film--so why is it ok to ask about a tickling fetish video?

I do not mean this reply to be a personal attack, but I do strongly disagree with your methods. I hope any discussion that results can remain civil.

 

[mabus]

I don't know...how many guys have walked up to beautiful women and told them they were going to marry them...and they ended up getting married?
Asking to let themselves be tickled, and asking to masturbate on film are totally different. More girls, and guys for that matter, would gladly accept $150 to be tickled than would jack off on video.

And honestly, I'm kind of getting tired of all this politically correct "offensive" crap. Imagine if we all lived in a world where were were free? You could go up to any girl and just tell her she was gorgeous. There are girls and guys out there, millions, who are beautiful. And not just in God's eyes, in other's eyes. Yet, have never once heard someone tell them, because everyone's afraid of sexual harassment lawsuits, or just afraid because of political correctness.
Imagine if you could say you have any kind of fetish, and people wuld be cool with it. A girl could feel free to walk up to you and ask if she could tickle you, or if you could tickle her. (But you'd still be free to say "no.")

And that's my main defense of this tactic that he used - She was ALWAYS free to say "No thanks." and he would have walked away. She never said NO at any point in their conversation.

PS: I would humbly ask that you tickle her in some tan or nude colored pantyhose in at least one video clip....maybe a little business outfit, dress, whatever!
Good luck, by the way, and hope it all works out...and hope she becomes a regular!

 

[shadow4ce]

Mabus, i agree with you 1 million%. god forbid someone actually be offended by something. now we have people who get offended at the slightest fucking gesture and try to sue for it E.G. miley cyrus getting sued for 2 mil. because of a picture she took.

and I also agree with the "sexual harassment" shit. when sexual harassment started, it was a good thing, but now you can be sued for asking a girl on a date, which is absolutely fucking ridiculous. although i agree with subtle feather that using the "direct approach" does give all fetishists a bad name in many cases, and as such I personally wouldn't use it. and to OP nice work, hope to see her actually do a video w/ you.

I out

- Shad

 

[BlackestLily]

I think what strikes me as odd about this is girls and guys alike have been fighting on this forum about getting girls to stay because guys will pm with messages about their fetish rather than getting to know them as a person, which in turn many have laid claim to nearly being driven off because of it and becoming very weary and cautious of meeting men from that point onward. And now we have someone who did directly the opposite and people are fellating over it. Pardon my bafflement...but...

...what?

Can someone tell me if it's going to be one or the other, because I can't keep score anymore.

 

[subtle_feather]

She was ALWAYS free to say "No thanks."

This, to me, sums up a big part of the attitude that I disagree with. What you see to be saying is that you are deeply concerned with getting your tickling jollies to the point that you will try to get any woman you find attractive to satisfy them for you. You do not take her feelings into account, but rather proceed to unnaturally steer the conversation toward the sexual realm. She is free to say no, but you feel it is totally appropriate to proposition her despite the likelihood that she will infd it rude and/or disturbing. As long as you take no for an answer, you are indeed not a rapist or a harasser--but is that a worthwhile goal--to simply not be a rapist or a harasser?

 

[tklee88]

the disclaimer was epic! 😛. Hope it works out for ya!

 

[Libertine]

When one is 'in the industry' (I've dommed in five or six videos, done some modeling, and talent-scouted for an extremely reputable fetish photographer) a sixth sense develops for noticing people who 'might'. 'Viper' appoached this girl because his professional sixth sense told him there was a good chance that his overtures would not be met with shock, horror, and shrieks for aid from the FBI. While no-one can ever be 100% sure of anything, in my experience an intelligent, beautiful girl working at a low-paid, boring and menial job might well consider this type of request. And the fact that Viper was accompanied by his charming girlfriend, whose mere existence tends to curb his more sociopathic tendencies (sorry, Mark!) would have further defused the situation. As it happens, the risk he took was rewarded with a potential model's freely given phone number. And no-one has ever succeeded in any enterprise without risk.

 

[ViperGTS]

Thanks to everyone who wishes encouragement!

I think the "direct approach," as you call it, is rude, potentially offensive and vaguely sociopathic. It is simply not good manners to offer someone money to be in a fetish video as the very first thing you ever say to them. Despite the obvious rudeness, you also have no idea who you are talking to when you say such a thing. I know at least a few people who would be deeply offended, and many more who would react with sneering derision.

I imagine you might say that, since the girl in question is mulling it over, that my point is moot. I would argue that the ends do not justify the means. This particular girl might not have minded, but many others would.

I also imagine that you believe that, if she had been reacted negatively, it would not affect anyone but you. I would argue that this sort of behavior gives people with fetishes of all kinds a bad name. You wouldn't walk up to someone and ask them to masturbate on film--so why is it ok to ask about a tickling fetish video?

I do not mean this reply to be a personal attack, but I do strongly disagree with your methods. I hope any discussion that results can remain civil.

As a man, I have a wonderful, loving, extremely ticklish woman at my side at all times, and therefore I am satisfied in my personal life as far as tickling is concerned. If it were not for Viper Productions, I wouldn't be considering asking anyone else to have tickling sessions with me, except at gatherings.

As a producer, I am not talking to people with the intent of getting to know them and becoming great friends. I am hiring them for a job. When a recruiter (scout) for a baseball team goes to a game and sees an amazingly talented short stop, he doesn't take the guy to dinner, get to know his personality, and listen to him bitch about his personal issue - he tells him that he's got a ton of talent and he wants him to play for the Yankees. When a small company puts an ad out on CraigsList for a new network analyst, they don't call people who apply to see when they can come over and have a few drinks so they can become buddies - they do an interview, then offer him money to accomplish a task. Good employees become friends with their employers AFTER being paid to perform a job.

This is exactly what is happening here. I found someone that fit the criteria I was looking for (looks, personality, open-mindedness), and I offered her a paying job. She is open to the idea, proving my "sixth sense" about her, as Libertine put it, correct. If everything turns out the way I want it to, I will do a shoot or two with her, she'll get paid some good summer spending cash, and you'll have a new tickling fetish video to watch - everyone wins. Then, we'll take the time to get to know each other and possibly become friends.

If she decides, I have an interview with her, that this is not for her and she doesn't want to do it, then that's that - I'm not going to argue with her or treat her like a piece of meat. She'll go on her merry way, as disappointed as I may be, and not be harassed about it.

Had she been offended or said no from the get go, as another woman did when I tried this approach at the gas station on Wednesday, I simply respond with, "Alright, you have a great day," and I move on. It's that simple.

Friends and employees are very different things. They can ultimately be the same person but you don't interview your friends before becoming friends, and you don't buy potential employees dinner and introduce them to your children.

When one is 'in the industry' (I've dommed in five or six videos, done some modeling, and talent-scouted for an extremely reputable fetish photographer) a sixth sense develops for noticing people who 'might'. 'Viper' appoached this girl because his professional sixth sense told him there was a good chance that his overtures would not be met with shock, horror, and shrieks for aid from the FBI. While no-one can ever be 100% sure of anything, in my experience an intelligent, beautiful girl working at a low-paid, boring and menial job might well consider this type of request. And the fact that Viper was accompanied by his charming girlfriend, whose mere existence tends to curb his more sociopathic tendencies (sorry, Mark!) would have further defused the situation. As it happens, the risk he took was rewarded with a potential model's freely given phone number. And no-one has ever succeeded in any enterprise without risk.

This.

One of the things I love about Libertine is his ability to say exactly what I want to get across in a much more eloquent way than I ever could.

I think what strikes me as odd about this is girls and guys alike have been fighting on this forum about getting girls to stay because guys will pm with messages about their fetish rather than getting to know them as a person, which in turn many have laid claim to nearly being driven off because of it and becoming very weary and cautious of meeting men from that point onward. And now we have someone who did directly the opposite and people are fellating over it. Pardon my bafflement...but...

...what?

Can someone tell me if it's going to be one or the other, because I can't keep score anymore.

Righs, but were they offering the person in the chatroom a wad of cash? Were they talking to that person for their own sexual gratification? This is a business, and in capitalisam, you exchange money for goods or services. In this case, I am willing to buy her time and ticklishness for a certain amount of money. I am not offering to "cybertickle her little feet" so I can jizz all over my keyboard. This isn't for my own selfish reasons - I am doing this for people like you.

 

[milagros317]

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**DISCLAIMER: I will not beheld responsible for any reactions or consequences resulting from the use of this technique by any users of this forum. If you attempt this technique with someone (which I DO NOT RECOMMEND and STRONGLY SUGGEST AGAINST if you are not fully confident in your ability to NOT come off as a perverted weirdo) and it turns out unfavorably, it weighs square on your shoulders.

Wise disclaimer. Somebody who appears creepy and is not accompanied by his girlfriend may well get slapped across the face or punched in the mouth when they try this. 😛

And the fact that Viper was accompanied by his charming girlfriend, whose mere existence tends to curb his more sociopathic tendencies (sorry, Mark!) would have further defused the situation.

I believe that this was important. He did not seem like a predator when so accompanied. 😀

 

[BellaRisa]

Wise disclaimer. Somebody who appears creepy and is not accompanied by his girlfriend may well get slapped across the face or punched in the mouth when they try this. 😛



...I believe that this was important. He did not seem like a predator when so accompanied. 😀

This. I hear what Subtle_Feather is saying and I totally see his point; having said that, in my experience the best approach is the direct approach when it comes to such an endeavor. Handing the young lady your card or a quickly scribbled phone # and merely alluding to what it is you do, only to tell her the whole truth later on, can be seen as FAR more sleazy and suspect than being up front from the beginning, especially for a male approaching a female (we ridiculously short female producers with Charlie Brown heads are a little less intimidating ) A business proposal, even for a fetish film, is still business and doesn't require the same getting-to-know-you phase as an attempt to meet a new tickling partner, Viper's method was bold but perfectly acceptable; and yes, I've done it myself, that's how I met the cheerleader I filmed once upon a time 🙂

 

[Artoo]

I think what strikes me as odd about this is girls and guys alike have been fighting on this forum about getting girls to stay because guys will pm with messages about their fetish rather than getting to know them as a person, which in turn many have laid claim to nearly being driven off because of it and becoming very weary and cautious of meeting men from that point onward. And now we have someone who did directly the opposite and people are fellating over it. Pardon my bafflement...but...

...what?

Can someone tell me if it's going to be one or the other, because I can't keep score anymore.

The thing is, though, most people on this forum are on it because of their fetish. This is something we know about the users we talk to. In real life, however, it tends to work the other way round - we know something about someone (what they look like, what they do etc), but we don't know if they'll be interested in our fetish or not.

So you put it out there, for better or worse. I found a play partner around this time last year by openly telling her about my kinks one night when we were drunk, even though we didn't know each other that well. Sometimes it pays off to bite the bullet.

Mind, I have no qualms about coming off as a weirdo, either. 😀

 

[-Hari-]

Mind, I have no qualms about coming off as a weirdo, either. 😀

Me neither, I thrive off it 😀

Grats on the new model Viper 🙂

 

[Tiger.Lily]

Uh. Everything that Libertine and Bella said. Oh, and Lyz. 😛

Good luck with teh model. I'm excited. You always pick hotties. Nomz.

 

[subtle_feather]

After reading all these replies, I feel a bit like a stick in the mud. Oh well *packs up my chivalry and goes home* 🙂

 

[Babyshambles]

everyone is talking like this is a done deal.

im not so sure it is a done deal until the model starts to work.

she did give a phone number of course, which, assuming its real is a very encouraging sign.

but there may be more twists to this one yet.

 

[ViperGTS]

Right, this isn't a done deal quite yet - I still have to text her and see if she's still interested after having a night to mull over the offer in her head.

I will text her now and keep this thread updated.

 

[Babyshambles]

Right, this isn't a done deal quite yet - I still have to text her and see if she's still interested after having a night to mull over the offer in her head.

I will text her now and keep this thread updated.

Call her I would suggest Viper.

None of my business, but I would be concerned that a text message is a permanent record on paper of your proposal, which could in a very small number of cases lead to some trouble for you.

That's just my tuppence worth.

 

[rhiannon]

I call that one brave producer....the chances of being hit in the face where at least 50%. 🙂

 

[BellaRisa]

After reading all these replies, I feel a bit like a stick in the mud. Oh well *packs up my chivalry and goes home* 🙂

Subtle, just let me say again that I absolutely see your point of view and most of the time I would agree completely, your chivalry and manners are to be admired . This is indeed an odd and kinda graphic request to make of a stranger, and as someone mentioned earlier, this isn't something you just 'do'; getting a 'vibe' from the potential model in question and approaching in a calm and non-threatening manner helps a LOT, and frankly I never inquire of a young lady in my own area lest she react badly; the last thing I need is freaked-out nasty looks every time I go to my gym or my local favorite restaurant Timing, location, and a feel for the situation are very important.

 

[ticklebunny 2]

This most definitely is very different and a very original unique social situation for sure, not private it was in public. Yeah I also can understand and see where Subtle is coming from. That was a very brave and a very bold gesture. You were very fortunate and very lucky that the woman did not get offended or that you did not get slapped to be honest with you. Yet it was not like you were propositioning her to be a potential sexual tickle partner. You were just testing the waters and seeing if she would like to be a model in a ticklish fetish video. I guess really there really is no harm done, since the gesture was made with your gf around or knowing about it, not behind her back, so it was honest and open nothing underhanded about it.

Plus you were honest and direct with the offer and did not try to pull no punches and you were not dishonest at any time and you just threw the offer out there. No harm done. Yet I must say a very bold move, you got guts Viper that is all I got to say. Especially in a public situation and not a private situation asking this question. So I guess if the woman was not offended or not embarrassed or not angry at your direct proposition and gave her phone number for this job opportunity, no harm done.

I always thought the subtle testing of the waters and slowly introducing the tickle kink was the best way to do it or increase your chances the other person will be open to the idea and try it, but guess the direct approach can work too. Long as the parties are agreeable and limits respected and heeded and safewords obeyed and everyone has fun, no harm done. I guess congrats Viper and best wishes and good luck with this lady calling you back to star in a tickle fetish video (think you could have left out the word "fetish" it gets a bad rap, but other than that not bad, impressive)

 

[meangry]

Righs, but were they offering the person in the chatroom a wad of cash? Were they talking to that person for their own sexual gratification? This is a business, and in capitalisam, you exchange money for goods or services. In this case, I am willing to buy her time and ticklishness for a certain amount of money. I am not offering to "cybertickle her little feet" so I can jizz all over my keyboard. This isn't for my own selfish reasons - I am doing this for people like you.

Huh?

You are tickling this girl for all of us?

How Christian of you.

 

[Gothika]

I think the "direct approach," as you call it, is rude, potentially offensive and vaguely sociopathic. It is simply not good manners to offer someone money to be in a fetish video as the very first thing you ever say to them. Despite the obvious rudeness, you also have no idea who you are talking to when you say such a thing. I know at least a few people who would be deeply offended, and many more who would react with sneering derision.

I imagine you might say that, since the girl in question is mulling it over, that my point is moot. I would argue that the ends do not justify the means. This particular girl might not have minded, but many others would.

I also imagine that you believe that, if she had been reacted negatively, it would not affect anyone but you. I would argue that this sort of behavior gives people with fetishes of all kinds a bad name. You wouldn't walk up to someone and ask them to masturbate on film--so why is it ok to ask about a tickling fetish video?

I do not mean this reply to be a personal attack, but I do strongly disagree with your methods. I hope any discussion that results can remain civil.

well said some men have no respect for woman people need to show more respect it took balls to do what ya did tho i just dont feel that it is right u should have talked to her first and not come out like that this is just my oppinion does not make me right or rong and not met to offend or anger anyone and no offence to you viper