Tips for making your own stocks?

[Dannigrl]

Kuj is undeniably the alltime master of stocks & bondage and could help immeasurably here before anyone picks up a hammer or saw-- or carpeting 🙄

Trying to get him to post here isn't easy because he's not interested in the inevitable flames erupting if he does post.

However I've resorted to some very good bribery at this point. Don't ask. Use your imagination.

 

[P[a]pi]

The master of disaster?

 

[birdburdy]

Thanks Dannigrl

Thanks Dannigrl, we look forward to hearing from him!

 

[Dannigrl]

The master of disaster?

Very funny, but that's no way to get him here to post about stocks. It can be misinterpreted. No one better than he to talk about building stocks. You should see his setups at his home.

Not aimed at you but many people on TT should learn to respect those that came along before them and created what they have now, and who are far better than anyone around at tickling. I'm seeing a lot of disasterous stocks here in photos and in videos but I've never seen any disaster from him on any level. His demonstrations and meetings are by far the best around and very popular. The varying set of photos he's currently running in his group are fantastic. From plasterofparis mummies for tickling to the halloween haybale bondage he did- amazing, all of it. I've seen some of it in person when I met him and the group. Great guy in and out of the fetish.

My bribery consisted of letting him photo me in one of his sets of stocks to accompany anything he posts here.

Any objections?

 

[P[a]pi]

You two can do whatever you two want.

I usually don't respect people who say they're one of the best at something, especially when the something is tickling, which is very subjective. Should I respect some guy who says he is the best at sex? The best at kissing? Hugging?

I know he didn't actually say he is one of the best, but you just did, and I disagree. There is no "best." Tickling and bondage (fetishes in general) aren't sports. Were not talking about the NFL where there is a playoff and a Super Bowl. It's not a competition.

Also, KJ created nothing that I have now. I have a girlfriend who is a lee, and my own brain. That is all I really need when it comes to tickling and bondage.

Don't get me wrong, from pictures that I've seen I think he makes good stocks. But, he didn't create tickling and bondage.

And if I have to go along with the idea that he is the "best" at tickling and bondage for him to post some advice to help somebody, then I find that sad.

Why can't I just think he is good at what he does?

Don't you think it's rude to act as if KJ is better than everybody. I thought it was rude when you rolled you're eyes at Sammi for mentioning carpet as padding in stocks. Maybe that's what she would like. Something tells me she'd be alright.

Also, it's possible for me to respect KJ without thinking he is the "best." I don't have to agree with this statement.

...who are far better than anyone around at tickling.

And something tells me that BigNorm is gonna make some bangin' stocks, whether KJ posts in here or not.

And KJ should post in here for the sole purpose of helping BigNorm out. Nothing more. How am I supposed to respect somebody who needs to be bribed to post some advice that would help out a fellow ler in the tickling community? Either help out because you want to, or don't.



Lastly, I deleted my post that explained exactly how I'd make my stocks because I decided that each ler should make stocks their own way. A ler should own his stocks, not copy off of somebody else. I have confidence in every ler that they can figure it out.

My only advice is that you could make them so that you can take them apart for easy storage.

 

[birdburdy]

You two can do whatever you two want.

I usually don't respect people who say they're one of the best at something, especially when the something is tickling, which is very subjective. Should I respect some guy who says he is the best at sex? The best at kissing? Hugging?

I'm sorry, but do you have any idea who Kujman is? He doesn't go around saying he's the best - everyone who knows anything about him does! To a large extent he shies away from the praise he receives.

I know he didn't actually say he is one of the best, but you just did, and I disagree. There is no "best." Tickling and bondage (fetishes in general) aren't sports. Were not talking about the NFL where there is a playoff and a Super Bowl. It's not a competition.

It would be wonderful if we could live in a world without "bests", and without "losers", but this is the real world are there are some people better at some things than others. Kujman has dedicated much of his life to this subject area and as a result he's much more clued in than most. He has actually tried building (not just theorizing or armchair instructing) many different types of stocks, tweaked them and tested them out. Given all his experience it would be terribly arrogant to suggest he wouldn't be better at making stocks (which is the current topic here) than, say, you or me.

Also, KJ created nothing that I have now. I have a girlfriend who is a lee, and my own brain. That is all I really need when it comes to tickling and bondage.

I see you have an account over at the TMF. Kujman founded that. If all you need for tickling is a girlfriend and a brain, then why on Earth are you on this online community board? Strange.

Why can't I just think he is good at what he does?

Erm. Or the best "at what he does"? The term "best" is justified here by empirical evidence.

Don't you think it's rude to act as if KJ is better than everybody. I thought it was rude when you rolled you're eyes at Sammi for mentioning carpet as padding in stocks. Maybe that's what she would like. Something tells me she'd be alright.

Look nobody's saying Kuj is a superior species of human being, or somehow an infallible god-like legend that nobody could even potentially try and compete with at anything. We're saying he's the best in tickling, and he's achieved that by doing his research and experimenting for a long time.

And something tells me that BigNorm is gonna make some bangin' stocks, whether KJ posts in here or not.

I kind of doubt KJ will post here now. I hope BigNorm does make good stocks and I would love for him to post a photograph of the finished work.

And KJ should post in here for the sole purpose of helping BigNorm out. Nothing more. How am I supposed to respect somebody who needs to be bribed to post some advice that would help out a fellow ler in the tickling community? Either help out because you want to, or don't.

That easily said, but you don't understand. Dannigrl's not bribing him to help someone - he does a lot of that already on his ticklepalace group and he used to on here and other forums, she's bribing him to post here at the risk of being flamed, denigrated and hurt.

Lastly, I deleted my post that explained exactly how I'd make my stocks because I decided that each ler should make stocks their own way. A ler should own his stocks, not copy off of somebody else. I have confidence in every ler that they can figure it out.

I don't have that same confidence. The vast majority of stocks I see are pitiful creations: the wood is too thin, they rattle, the holes are too big. It is really quite difficult to make a good set of stocks, it takes weeks not hours. I can see what you're getting at by saying people shouldn't just copy, and should think for themselves, but that just isn't practical as a learning technique: we learn from out elders, you teachers told you how to count how to read, how to spell, how to cook. They didn't give you a raw chicken and say "Here now boy, go work out how to cook this" and just leave you to get food poisoning. It's the same here: the scene will only improve through the propagation and dissemination of information.

 

[BigJim1]

I see you have an account over at the TMF. Kujman founded that. If all you need for tickling is a girlfriend and a brain, then why on Earth are you on this online community board? Strange.

No he didn't, he was one of the earlier Moderators before the Big Argument (which is well documented and I don’t think Kuj himself would want it rehashed here, so I’ll not do so) but he was never a founder. The original EZ Boards forum was founded by Scott (aka Psycho4048 & ReturntoGod) and the current VBulletin version was founded jointly by Scott and Jeff Urcioli. Nor did he found this one. That being the case, the use of any community board is irrelevant. If neither had existed then some other one would have been invented and people would have found tickle partners through that. Unless you want to credit Kuj with the invention of the internet itself you’re shit outta luck. Obviously Kuj was obviously a highly visible figure in the beginning of online tickling communities (an aside: does anone know if Bob's AMT is still running?) but he didn't found any of them.

Kuj was and is a vanguard of many tickling things, including features in magazines long before the internet was publicly born. But he himself has expressed his preference of the offline TK community and for someone else to say that he founded the TMF is a completely misleading statement.

 

[birdburdy]

Ok this wasn't the point of this thread nor my post. There were four initial moderators, including Kujman.

I'd really like to hear from BigNorm now - how are the stocks going?

 

[P[a]pi]

birdburdy - To say KJ is the best at tickling, you have to disregard so many other people's experiences and opinions who disagree. And saying KJ is the best is just an opinion. It can't be proven, it's a very subjective area, so why say it.

I am the best for Meka and she is the best for me because we're in love, and love what we do to each other. KJ is the best for his group because they love what he does to them. Etc, etc. If you're in a loving relationship then you think each other is the best. Hince, there is no best because there are so many couples and because of other reasons. That is just one.

If every guy believed that KJ was the best, than that would mean every guy would think KJ could tie and tickle their girlfriend better than themselves. Talk about lack of confidence and lack of self-esteem.

While a guy ties and tickles his girlfriend or wife is he supposed to think to himself, "KJ could be doing this better than me, cus he is the master..."

By the way, I'm the best in the world at grinding on chicks from the bottom. Don't disrespect me by disagreeing. Anybody who disagrees with me is wrong. I am the master of grinding on chicks from the bottom. Everybody, especially people younger than me, should consult me before trying such an amazing and complicated task.



BigJim - I agree with what you said.

 

[birdburdy]

It's true that there has be to chemistry there for the tickling to be good, it's going to be better if you love them, and they'll open up better if they love you.

But what we're talking about isn't "would he be better than you with your girlfriend".

If every guy believed that KJ was the best, than that would mean every guy would think KJ could tie and tickle their girlfriend better than themselves. Talk about lack of confidence and lack of self-esteem.

Perhaps they should be thinking about how they could learn from Kujman? Seriously though, you make it sound like such an awful thing - being worse than someone else. In many ways being worse is better - you have people to learn from! There are always going to be people in this world better at something than yourself - I'm a good driver but there will be people who are better at driving than me, I'm fairly well endowed but there will be people bigger than me (and in a purely mechanical sense they would be able to pleasure my girlfriend better than me).

This doesn't lower my confidence in any way. The point of love is that you love someone for who they are. You don't go and find the best and love them, instead you work out your differences and problems with the one you love because you love them.

I'm the best in the world at grinding on chicks from the bottom.

What is "grinding on chicks from the bottom"? I know what you're trying to say though, but it's not the same as what we're talking about. Kujman has a group of people saying he's the best, and as I stated before he mostly shies from praise these days. Here *you* are saying that *you* are the best (in jest). That's not the same.

Furthermore he has the pictures to prove it - it's not just an unsubstantiated claim.

The only thing that we're claiming Kujman is better at is the semantics and mechanical skills involved in designing stocks and of bondage. Nobody's saying he'd be better with your girlfriend than you, but he would be able to set a better scene, to tie her more artfully, to restrain her in a safer way.

I'm just looking at some of your posted pictures just now. This is in no way personal so please don't mistake it as such - I am sure you and your girlfriend love each other very much. I also think it is good of you to post those photographs on the internet - it's more than I would do.

If I take this picture as an example, http://www.tickletheater.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139435&d=1189192124
It's fine. It's an attractive girl stretched out on a bed. But the lighting is nothing great, it's quite obviously a bedroom (there's no scene or atmosphere), the bondage is simple though she might be able to get out of that and she's sure as hell going to be able to flap around. It's in no way as aesthetically pleasing as some of Kujman's material.

Also, http://www.tickletheater.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=131116&d=1181806421 is a picture of Meka in "stocks" (a straw chair). It doesn't look secure, it won't feel overwhelming in the sense that there will still be movement. I'm not sure if you've seen pictures of Kujman's stocks, but they are enormous intimidating unmovable lumps of tree.

I'm not saying you'll never produce anything better than Kujman, it's just that you haven't put in the same time and effort into producing those pictures.

The medieval guys had the right idea. They built stocks about 4-6 inches thick. These were longer than they had to be, making them too heavy for one person to lift even if they weren't locked. They used iron manacles, heavy ones which weighed a ridiculous amount. This wasn't pragmatic. It wasn't necessary, 1 inch thick wood is too thick for someone to break out of, and iron any thicker than 5mm would have been effective as a restraint. The reason for such over-the-top restraints is effect. That's it. It creates an atmosphere. There is no point in even trying to wiggle out because you absolutely cannot, you know you cannot. There is no doubt.

There are bdsm websites all round the internet which use stocks, racks, metal stocks... why do they bother when 30ft of hemp is more than enough to completely restrain someone? Effect. And while they probably wouldn't be better with your girlfriend than you, I think it is fair to say they would be able to better, and safer, restrain her.

 

[bigboldbat]

If every guy believed that KJ was the best, than that would mean every guy would think KJ could tie and tickle their girlfriend better than themselves. Talk about lack of confidence and lack of self-esteem.

While a guy ties and tickles his girlfriend or wife is he supposed to think to himself, "KJ could be doing this better than me, cus he is the master..."

Hmm, people go around saying how cool Yaqi is, and he's the tickle master and all... I don't see you disagreeing with them?!

 

[BigJim1]

Hmm, people go around saying how cool Yaqi is, and he's the tickle master and all... I don't see you disagreeing with them?!

Doesn't mean he doesn't, just means he may not have participated in those threads with as much emotional commitment as he has in this one.

Of course he may think Yaqi is the coolest thing since the other side of the pillow, I'm just speculating.

 

[Meka1]

KJ may be good at what he does, but he's not the best in my book..it's funny how so many people are on his nuts lol. Also..im sure no ones feeling will be hurt if he doesn't reply in the thread..its just stocks, its not like he created sliced bread or something amazing lol. But whatever. No need to go attacking papi just because he's not on the KJ bandwagon.

Also...we're aware that we used a chair for stocks, but that doesn't change the point of anything. If we had time to cut down trees and build some stocks we would've done that by now.

 

[Skepticism]

Honestly, I'd have to say I enjoy the bondage in Meka and Papi's picture very much. Especially for the fact that you can tell they're having fun with what they're doing. Papi was right, in my opinion. There is no real "best" at anything, it's all a matter of opinion.

 

[Meka1]

Hmm, people go around saying how cool Yaqi is, and he's the tickle master and all... I don't see you disagreeing with them?!

no one would waste time in that topic...i've never even actually seen a thread saying that Yaqi was the tickle master lol, thats a joke to me

 

[Meka1]

Honestly, I'd have to say I enjoy the bondage in Meka and Papi's picture very much. Especially for the fact that you can tell they're having fun with what they're doing. Papi was right, in my opinion. There is no real "best" at anything, it's all a matter of opinion.

=), thanks

 

[birdburdy]

I'm quite none of you actually read my, admittedly very long, thread.

I am not saying Kujman is "better than you at tickling", you seem to want to twist my words that way, probably because it is easier to argue with. He *is* better at the *processes* involved, including *tight and safe bondage*, *creating an intense atmosphere* and *the creation of stocks*. These are skills which are learned from experience.

Now you might not like intricate rope bondage (for example), but that doesn't stop Kujman being "better at intricate rope bondage than you".

its just stocks, its not like he created sliced bread or something amazing lol

Fine, you don't need stocks to exist. They might be fun though? Why do people have such a hard time admitting that they may, on occasion, benefit from taking advice from others?

Also...we're aware that we used a chair for stocks, but that doesn't change the point of anything. If we had time to cut down trees and build some stocks we would've done that by now.

Well a chair is not stocks. It changes everything, because of the psychological effect. You look at a chair and think "nice comfy chair", you look at a set of stocks and you think "yikes, that looks intimidating". It's more visually pleasing. As I tried to get across in my previous post is that not everything is judged on a pragmatic scale. It might work, it might be secure, but you can go to a higher level by making it have that psychological effect. Atmosphere.

No need to go attacking papi just because he's not on the KJ bandwagon.

Erm... I think you know fine well that I didn't attack Papi. I even thanked him for being good enough to post the pictures. I just needed a solid example to refer to - please don't make a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Meka1]

I for one ,do actually read your threads, Hopefully you'll read mine :redface:

i'm not making something out of nothing, ... And i can use a chair for stocks...no, a chair is not a pair of stocks, but i can use it as a subsitiute.

And you can't argue with opinions, you say he's great and awsome, I say he's not...so what? lol He is good at what he does yes, it's all about what you like. If you like what KJ does then yeah you're going to think he's the master, but if you don't then you're not going to think he's the master. That does not mean that he's better then anyone at anything. If you want to think that he is the greatest then that's fine but just don't forget that its all an opinion and you can't change anyones mind.

Its not like there's something written( to my knowledge) on how to make "perfect stocks" and "the right way to tie people for bondage", so there's no one way to do it. You make it how you want to.

i compare all this hoopla to cooking...i think i make great fruit jello:happy: , papi and his mom hates it..but a few girls i work with thinks its awsome..so i guess that makes me the best at fruit jello.


but i am the master at fruit jello..!!

 

[birdburdy]

And you can't argue with opinions, you say he's great and awsome, I say he's not...so what? lol He is good at what he does yes, it's all about what you like. If you like what KJ does then yeah you're going to think he's the master, but if you don't then you're not going to think he's the master. That does not mean that he's better then anyone at anything. If you want to think that he is the greatest then that's fine but just don't forget that its all an opinion and you can't change anyones mind.

Look this doesn't seem to be getting anywhere, because again you haven't read my post. I'll keep this one short, to help you out.

I am not saying KJ is the best. You keep coming back to this for some reason. This post isn't about you, nor Papi, nor me, nor Kujman, nor tickling... it's about stocks. What I am saying is that KJ has the best advice when it comes to making stocks. Now these might not be the best restraint mechanism in the world, you might prefer a chair, but that doesn't make his stocks any worse as stocks.

I feel sorry for BigNorm getting his thread hijacked like this, because when offered some advice about building stocks from a man who is extremely experienced a building real stocks someone else jumped in and went out of their way to stop that, by adding an unnecessary insult.

Its not like there's something written( to my knowledge) on how to make "perfect stocks" and "the right way to tie people for bondage", so there's no one way to do it. You make it how you want to.

There's a Japanese martial art called Hojo-jutsu about tying. There is also Shibari. This is the Japanese art of rope bondage, which is the most intricate around. It evolved to become inescapable because it was used for real. If the prisoner escaped, the person who tied them would be killed. Even in western rope bondage, there are techniques to use ... knots to use which can stop you causing bruising and the like, places to avoid tying to avoid touching a nerve. For example, if you ever tie someone's elbows together always do it about the elbow, otherwise you'll hurt them. There are other safety concerns too, like always using many short pieces so you can untie it quickly in an emergency.

 

[Meka1]

, okay birdy...happy thanksgiving.

 

[BigNorm]

Very funny, but that's no way to get him here to post about stocks. It can be misinterpreted. No one better than he to talk about building stocks. You should see his setups at his home.

Not aimed at you but many people on TT should learn to respect those that came along before them and created what they have now, and who are far better than anyone around at tickling. I'm seeing a lot of disasterous stocks here in photos and in videos but I've never seen any disaster from him on any level. His demonstrations and meetings are by far the best around and very popular. The varying set of photos he's currently running in his group are fantastic. From plasterofparis mummies for tickling to the halloween haybale bondage he did- amazing, all of it. I've seen some of it in person when I met him and the group. Great guy in and out of the fetish.

My bribery consisted of letting him photo me in one of his sets of stocks to accompany anything he posts here.

Any objections?

wow! you'd do all that for me? for my stocks? thanks!

Ok this wasn't the point of this thread nor my post. There were four initial moderators, including Kujman.

I'd really like to hear from BigNorm now - how are the stocks going?

still on the drawing board. can't get the supplies til i get my truck road worthy again, since i don't want any suspicious questions about the supplies.

I kind of doubt KJ will post here now. I hope BigNorm does make good stocks and I would love for him to post a photograph of the finished work.

oh yes, there shall be photos about, maybe even with people in them 🙂

And Meka, nice to hear from you! i had some pics of you getting your soles tickled, and i must say, you have some gorgeous soles, my dear. and your a great 'lee, love your feet! too bad i lost those pics when my computer crashed.

 

[birdburdy]

Happy Thanksgiving too Meka, and Papi.

 

[P[a]pi]

Kuj is undeniably the alltime master of stocks & bondage...

Not aimed at you but many people on TT should learn to respect those that came along before them and created what they have now, and who are far better than anyone around at tickling.

birdburdry - This is why we aren't focusing on just the building of stocks. These statements are what made me make my original post. The above statements say that KJ is the best at bondage and tickling.

I said I disagree because there is no best.

Then you decided to switch the conversation to just the creation of stocks. And Meka and I didn't feel like switching with you because my original post was not about just the creation of stocks.

To me dannigrl's statements were arrogant, insulting and rude. So, I said something. She basically said KJ is the best at our fetish. Everybody here likes tickling and bondage, or just tickling, so what she said applies to everybody.

Also, KJ isn't the only one who makes stocks in the tickling community, so saying he is the best at that is also arrogant, insulting and rude. It doesn't matter that KJ didn't say it.

I said he makes good stocks and is good at what he does meaning: bastinado, itching powder, roasting, tickling, etc. This means that I think he is good at that that type of our fetish. That is a different type of our fetish, but not better.

Also, I never insulted KJ and Meka hasn't either, so I don't know of what insults you are talking about.

And I know about Japanese rope bondage. I know it exists and I can recognize it when I see it. But, I don't like how it looks and I think some aspects of it are unnecessary and just for looks. But, since I don't do it and KJ does, you wanna say he is better than me at it. That's cool. Thanks for the info. Well, I'm better at stuff that other people don't do that I do, do.

And about my analogy I made with me being the best at "grinding on chicks from the bottom." I could have asked Meka to post it. Then it would have came from somebody else.

Happy Turkey Day.



Skepticism - Thanks for the complement. And I think it's cool that you agree with what I said.

BigNorm - Thanks for the complements about Meka. And you can probably find the pics you lost in our section. Just check out the link in my signature.

 

[birdburdy]

birdburdry - This is why we aren't focusing on just the building of stocks. These statements are what made me make my original post. The above statements say that KJ is the best at bondage and tickling.

Yeah Dannigrl said that once, and I can agree with you that there is a subjective element to it. The trouble with forums is the colloquial element to writing: people will make widely applying statements which cover more than what it scientifically justifiable. I personally feel his material is the best out there to my tastes, because I like a heavier style of play. This is my preference though.

Also, I never insulted KJ and Meka hasn't either, so I don't know of what insults you are talking about.

You said,

Master of disaster?

in reference to him. I don't really know what you meant by it, and if you'd said it about me I'd have been fine with it. But given the history of flamewars on here, and on TT and on AMT in relation to KJ, it's a bit provocative.

And I know about Japanese rope bondage. I know it exists and I can recognize it when I see it. But, I don't like how it looks and I think some aspects of it are unnecessary and just for looks. But, since I don't do it and KJ does, you wanna say he is better than me at it. That's cool. Thanks for the info. Well, I'm better at stuff that other people don't do that I do, do.

I'm glad you wrote this, it's actually a prime example. Japanese Rope Bondage is a pretty specific taste, not everybody likes it, and sometimes I think it looks kind of ugly. However it is recognised in the BDSM community as being more advanced than other forms - it takes longer to learn the techniques and it has more depths to it (it's more than just a means of restraint). Someone who knows how to do more advanced techniques is better at bondage than someone who doesn't know the advanced techniques. That doesn't necessarily make them better people, or better at sex or happier. If I look at Japanese Bondage I think "hmm, ok but not really my taste" but I still think the practitioners are more advanced than me.

Cheers.

 

[Meka1]

And Meka, nice to hear from you! i had some pics of you getting your soles tickled, and i must say, you have some gorgeous soles, my dear. and your a great 'lee, love your feet! too bad i lost those pics when my computer crashed.

:redface: thank you,

im sorry to hear about your computer, we still have everthing that we ever posted in our little section thingy that we have. its under the contributors showroom, i'm sure whatever you lost you could find it again there =).

How was your thanksgiving by the way?