Enough, Papi!
I was told, oh how I was told, that if I mentioned Kujman's some guy some where would get his ego and security crumpled and start a fight. That's exactly what happened here. I thought the fetish world had grown up. It would be good to note that Kujman himself was sent copies of these posts and simply said "Don't waste your time getting involved- you can't change minds already set in cement"
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It's taken me a few days to get this info together, so it'll be a long post like yours was. I mean no offense to you Papi but you've made some rather arrogant and misleading statements, which I intend to correct with fact even if nobody listens. Prove me wrong if you can. I hold nothing against you or Meka for you do fine work.
The only reason I joined TT was to find Kujman and meet up with him, and I'm not the only one.
Papi, your entire goal here is simply to attack Kujman and demean his stature. You've turned this thread into a flame. Kay said it best- she called it "tickle envy" as in penis envy. I feel many guys feel slighted by this. That to me is a 'man issue'. (I dated a guy who alway got mad when I mentioned the name of a certain Red Sox player I loved. He'd get all pissy and denounce him just as you are about Kujman- whom I'd bet you've never even met)
You've not listened to a word that Burdy has said, and he makes perfect sense. I'm certain you- like many male ticklers- have a totally closed mind by now and will not even listen to me. However I'm going to speak up this one time about it.
To me dannigrl's statements were arrogant, insulting and rude. So, I said something. She basically said KJ is the best at our fetish. Everybody here likes tickling and bondage, or just tickling, so what she said applies to everybody..
Yes, it does apply to everyone. KJ for all intents and purpose created this fetish-for where do you think it began? On the Internet? With TMF? With you? I'd like to know your answer on this for it, as it's own fetish, had to start somewhere. Who did it? Kj was the first. So who do you credit it to?
Dating it back as far as I can see, this fetish began with Kujman's works and demos. There is not a person here who could top what Kujman can create and the scenes he does in tickling even today - that's just a fact backed up by a million things.
Here's the deal- If you can show me anyone who can do better, I'll sure listen and be the first to change my tune here. Because I've looked for years and never found anyone like him.
He is the best. Those who are insecure will attack it. Those who are smart will embrace it and let him do what he does best- teach it.
I was not rude, insulting, or arrogant- I've been in and around this tickling and bondage fetish world a very long time and feel my statements, even though I'm a female and it's a male dominated fetish, are based in fact and quite qualifed having met and played with so many people professional and non.
I've also met him and played- which makes my opinion even stronger than yours, Papi.
Yeah, I can see how my post might appear insulting way to someone who has an inferiority complex. But that type of person shouldn't be you, Papi. I'd be disappointed if that was true. I'm stating fact, but you're stating opinions.
In EVERYTHING there is a best and a worst. Everything. If you don't feel that way then you're not living on Earth.
Do you watch the Olympics and say, well no one there is the best at anything because that would hurt other's feelings in the sports, just give them all gold medals- anyway, I can do better, ask Meka--??
There is a best at anything. In this fetish it happens to be Kujman, who has done nothing to you or anyone but try to share materials and help teach. Other's have called him the best- never he- very qualified people who have played with many tops. They can't all be liars, Papi.
Kujman is also very different in life than what people here paint him. For one thing, he's a big guy (not as in fat either). He's a lot younger.
He's a very generous, caring, funny, and patient man who donates a huge amount of his time to charities for kids (having lost a child to a drunk driver hitting his car) and taken that tragedy and turned it around into something good.
He was hurt badly in 911 and yet helped others to safety at the same time. (This too was attacked, but the the attackers changed their story and apologized to him when NBC ran a program on it and it showed footage and Kj happened to be on it)
Kujman is the best and the first at most everything in Tickling you can name for me, from having perfected it and put the passion into it. Look at it, date it, you'll see for yourself.
I'll shoot you some undeniable facts gathered from he, from Ticklegal, and several other sources unattached to KJ.
-He created the concept magazine Tied and Tickled. His name clearly "Concept and layout by" section in the very first original. Now I'm not talking about the first run of the magazine from 1982 which yes does house his photos too, very nice. I'm going back even further to the very first original issue in 1980. It has a photo of him on the cover with a saying about "welcome to Kj's playground" or something. And I'll add that he was underage at that time! Who else would have guts like that? No one here for sure.
-He has articles dating back in publications to the mid seventies, one of them Pyschology Today.
-Kujman firsts include among other things many stock designs that are not based in history but from his own creations. This takes some doing. Look at the huge stone URN stocks- Westfield stocks- ren fair stocks- box stocks- Flander's bench. Even the current haybale bondage photos confound people as to how he did it.
-He even had a combination set of breast stocks/front door for one of his theme parties where guests arriving had to tickle the exposed and fastened breasts (or do other treats offered) of the lady, who was strapped to the other inner side of the door, and her screeching begging voice was the doorbell. This was a highlight at the party and just one of them.
-At his theme parties he has a pedestal with a guest sign in book, however the guest book and pedestal actually houses a naked pair of locked in soles, toe strapped in, and you must sign in upon the soles. Now no one ever knows where the rest of the girl is hidden (actually he cut into his wall and she's on then other side) These are things no one can do but he.
As Birdy pointed out, some of those designs are great but so hard to achieve-kuj never takes the easy way out.
-Though I'm not sure he invented it as far as bondage, he was the first to promote toe bondage and had some of the earliest photo sets of it printed, taking it to levels no one could match today. Created techniques that guys, even with your talents, still can't manage to copy. He made toe bars so commonly used today, was the first to use even the simple eyehook bondage. No one's been able to copy his toe stretchers as far as I know.
Think about it Papi- he had NO one to copy. When you have no one to follow and no one to copy and have to come up with your own ideas, that's to be cherished and respected- not shot down like you do here.
-He introduced true applied mumification to the bondage world in the early 1970's, the articles and magazines are out there! That is printed history. That's a technique YOU use all the time, yet the concept of it in fetish terms and techniques came from him.
Where did you learn it from?? You learned it from someplace and something. Kuj had no such teachers. He was the first.
-Someone mentioned plaster bondage? Again Kuj is the best. Why? Simply because he actually does it and took it to such levels. Guys here always write tickling stories about body casts and tickling, all fiction. Some even draw photos, right?
Now honestly tell me Papi- which is harder? Drawing it? Or really figuring out how to make it happen in real time events as Kuj does?
-KJ taught many riggers their craft who now are well known for it, though it's his teaching and photos that did it. The author of the Tickling novel "My Name Is Rand" acknowlegded a great debt to Kuj and what he's done in an emailed post.
-Kuj became a personal friend of the great admired atist Bishop- also called the best- who in turn admired KJ for what he was able to do in realtime. A very fitting original and signed drawing for KJ by this artist is a fitting tribute and hangs on his office wall.
-Kuj has gone out of his way to teach, enlighten, build, and lead the pathways to something more than just slap n' tickle materials of today. He's always ready to help others.
Yet guys like you are so quick to denounce him, attack him, belittle him and the spit upon the tremendous respect you, I and everyone owes him. He made this path is often said. You guys weren't around. I wasn't born.
People like you with your he's-nothing-special-attitude hamper his ability to help anyone today. This thread a perfect example. He would have posted were it not for your flames. Thanks.
- TMF; Even
BigJim has gotten some things wrong: Kujman was far more than a moderator. He did help create the TMF when it was in it's planning stages. The guy with the concept, Scott (who went by Psycho at that time), specifically went to Kujman for ideas and layouts, how-to sections and all of it. It was at first just he and Scott. This was verified BY Scott himself to me, Jeff said it to me in an email a long time ago under my old TMF membership (I think it was posted too), and Ticklegal has saved all the emails and IM's between Scott and KJ and shown me. The emails went back and forth a very very long time and you'd be astounded how much of the TMF is Kujman related.
However Kujman also pointed out with great forsight that he felt it would fail in the way that unless there was complete moderation it would become a silly, cheap board with cyber, cheap materials, and flames no different than the floundering AMT. Which it has exactly.
Scott asked him many times to be a part of it more from the start. Kuj was not sold on it, but became a mod, and the best (yes I can see you cringing at that word Papi) they had. When he was there, there were no flames and there were posts about factual information. All since gone.
BTW--Talk about being arrogant!! And how dare
you be so arrogant as to say that IF he really wanted to help others he would post here! What an arrogant and assinine statement! Post here for you, so he could be attacked and flamed by you? What the heck would that serve?
You must live in a box not to know that Kuj has helped thousands upon thousands of people over the decades in giving of his own time, his writing, his articles, hands on demos, and posts on his own groups- far more than you have done.
It was his hard work and dedication starting in the early 70's- no one elses- that took tickling out of the S&M world and made it into it's own new fetish way before any internet, AMT, or any other person ever wrote a darned thing.
Yet you so easily discount and disrespect him because you feel slighted by his abilities or experience? Sorry, but I just don't understand it.
Have you stopped driving merely because Jeff Gordon is a better driver than you are? Or do you denounce him of being the best too??
In my reckoning, if you're the first to think up and invent something then you deserve credit.
If you do it better than anyone else, then you are 'the best' at it.
He's taken scenes further than anyone, and I don't mean the intense part- I mean headspace and atmosphere and pure creativity that no one else can do- again, the best. Public scenes, beaches, sorority, club demos. No one has done that.
With respect to you and Meka, even you yourself can't match any photo he's done even those he did 25 years ago.
You- like others- completely disrespect him and usually behind his back.
You-like others- are clearly anti-Kujman having never met him nor attended his demos or played in one of his scenes.
You- like others- claim he says he's the best and all that, which he never has. It's proved by his actions, his creations, and others state it who were there.
Also, KJ isn't the only one who makes stocks in the tickling community, so saying he is the best at that is also arrogant, insulting and rude. It doesn't matter that KJ didn't say it.
I'll tell you whats insulting- some of the stocks out there by those others you speak of. They're a joke.
I never said he was the
only one to make stocks!! Sir, you're twisting my words now or can't read right. It's not insulting or arrogant to say that KJ makes the only good ones! Yes, the best and possibly only real stocks in the fetish- that's another fact backed up in photos. Just look, dude! All the other stocks out there are flimsy, thin, with oversized holes stuffed with old sink sponges and towels, some girls even have to have their hands tied in after they're suppossedly locked in.
Now, really Papi! Can you even compare any of those stocks to KJ's? Really? If you say yes, then I have to truly fear for your sanity
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Let me also say this; Kujman possibly also makes the only ORIGINAL DESIGN stocks. I've never seen him copy anyone- though they copy him- and many of his in his warehouse arte absolutely fantastic in their concept. He has a plexiglass version of his ren stocks and his flanders bench thats to die for! You can see all through it and it lights up and everything.
Speaking of the flanders bench- this has to be the alltime greatest tickling toy ever conceived or designed by any tickler anytime. Anyone who's ever been on it or seen it has been meserized.
And it came from Kujman's mind and hands.
Has anyone ever topped that? I don't think so. If they have, it's hidden.
I said he makes good stocks and is good at what he does meaning: bastinado, itching powder, roasting, tickling, etc. This means that I think he is good at that that type of our fetish. That is a different type of our fetish, but not better.
He excells at all aspects of our fetish, not just those. Those are his off-shoot. I love the fun simple forms. Glance at his many fun beach buried [in full public] adventures and you'll see yet another depth to him that makes him the best. He captures the moment, unstaged, on film. In all the other photos I've seen of sand burials, it's a joke. The models aren't really ticklish, we all know that if we're to be honest. Because if they were so, they could easily get out of the two inches of sand on them, in some cases no sand on their upper half at all! It's insulting because [to anyone outside of the mere fantasy of it] we know they could get out. I could, so I know they could. Not with Kuj. When he does it, you're stuck, for fun.
Let's not forget his added dimension even to that fun; he does NIGHT TIME burials by torchlight or under moonlight. What could be more erotic than that touch? No one sle does that.
So there you have it, Papi. Kujman HAS created things, things and designs used all the time in TK today commonly but he and he alone was the
first to invent them. Long before you or anyone else did. That makes him the original and the original is the best. He can do things in tickling, bondage and this fetish that you, I, and others simply can not. This is not a slight on anyone for everyone has their own talents in life and his is creation- he perfects everything. Such as Lew Ruebens is the best at bondage.
This fact about Kujman and his name alone obviously irritates you, meaning that the facts must be true. Yaqi has no talent yet declares himself the King of Tickling, yet you don't attack him for that.
Your mind is your own to make up, but facts are facts. Flame him all you want to. At this stage of his stature he's impervious to sensless opinions and attacks like the pyramids themselves. You can say all you wish yet one of his photos dissolves away all you say. I'm sure he doesn't care because he's still engaging in all this fun and comments and attitudes such as yours simply deny others that same fun from him. So you're doing a disservice to them, not him.
I'm going to leave this thread with now this last thought for you to truly consider, Papi. You say he's not the best? His recent set of photos with the girls in haybale bondage packed in tight for tickling as they pop off a conveyor belt from a hay bayler is magnificent. The video clips more so. Not staged or acted as you and others might do, but realtime. Just how he created and did it electrifies and mystifies all, except for those involved here online who met him and did it at Halloween. It's yet another Kujman dream brought to life that no one else has done or can do. Another original.
With permission I'll attach a photo if I can figure out how. A photo they say is worth a million words. This one spells out "the best".
Papi, I'm going to continue to enjoy your work and posts but won't post further on any of it.
I'm sorry for anyone who has been upset or annoyed by any of these posts. I simply wanted to help some of those wishing to make stocks by sending the best talent I could find to you. However, since as Papi alludes to there's so many other experts out there, I suggest you ask them. Just get a good supply of sponges and towels.
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I poured some nail polish remover down the drain, and will use it on my carpet rug.
