TMF or TT?

[jk666uk]

Like, let's not put a bow on a pretty face. It's peaches and cream from the group, but there is a steady undercurrent of drama and inner justice. Euphoricy was one of the most productive posters on the forum and had done quite a bit of traveling amongst gatherings. Something happens and suddenly she's been cast out. May she have done something? Sure. If it has to do with relationships, I think the people doing it need to grow up and stop being children or wannabe sugar daddies.

ha great news

 

[AnnoXanti]

Wake me up zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!! Wha.... is this TMF?

Now that TMF is 100% down and out of service, watch out for ugly dogfight here later!

[Plays "William Tell theme"]

Popcorn please?

-o0o-

As for the OP... I am currently on n00b mode...

 

[AdamN]

Both sites have their place, no doubt. But news of people being "cast out" is extremely troubling to me. I'd like to believe that such a thing is not true, though these days, I would doubt nothing. 😱

 

[meangry1]

ha great news

One point for a douche who enjoys schadenfreude.

 

[jk666uk]

One point for a douche who enjoys schadenfreude.

do you really think i care

 

[meangry1]

do you really think i care

You cared enough to respond. How about you keep responding saying you care when you really don't so we all know you really don't care so much that you keep responding.

INTELLIGENCE!

 

[Meka1]

We who? I say to hell with TMF. Art is scarcely recognized over there unless you're on MTJ's payroll. Then you get promoted all over the place.

-late-

lmao!, that's hilarious ​

 

[Sir Bombers]

-late-

lmao!, that's hilarious ​

Yet, it is true for most...

 

[Meka1]

i don't really care for the whole tt vs tmf thing, but its pretty funny to watch other people debate about it, i don't know why but it just makes me laugh lol​

 

[Cybertickler]

Perhaps saying that one is "cast out" was not the best choice of words on my part - it's more like people cast themselves out because of their actions?

Euphoricy isn't a bad example. People were not mean to her. She was not excluded from anything. She, not unlike Drew70 but to a MUCH lesser extent, made unwise, brash decisions that will not be discussed in detail but nonetheless caused her to think she is unwelcome. I think the only reason some people feel as though one portion of the community is less welcoming than another is because they did something foolish or arrogant and dug their own grave, so to speak.

Back to the original point - neither the TMF or TT are superior to one another. They are different. One focuses on certain aspects of the fetish that the other does not.

Just keep in mind that walking around stepping people's toes, especially if done intentionally, does not make those people harbor nice feelings about you.

 

[Sir Bombers]

Throughout the life of this thread, I've read many posts that say that the forums are indifferent or focus on certain things in tickling that the other site does not...

The question is... what?

Both forums have tickle and non-tickle art threads, video threads, non tickling and tickling image threads, and both offer room for discussion of any kind.


So what aspects does one show that the other doesn't?

Can anybody answer that?

But before you answer that...

How exactly how do we TRULY know that one site focuses more on something than the other one does not?

This especially goes for people who spend most of their time on just one TK forum. If you're a member of both and spend most of your time on one forum but OCCASIONALLY visit the other, how the heck can we truly say that one focuses on certain aspects and the other does not, when we're not dedicated members of both forums?! 😀

How do we truly know?! We might never know! 🙂

I don't think the issue lies in the content in either site. The content is fine as always. 😉

I feel the issue is solely connected with member interaction...in other words the people who enjoy the content.

The behavior, discussions and decisions of members at either forum are influenced by how members choose to interact with each other. This could be a huge factor as to why people make the decision of which site they would prefer.

So again, I believe the difference and discrepancy is not in what either site focuses on or puts out for the fetish... the difference lies in the members and their interactions on BOTH sites.

For a real life analogy: all high schools teach content to student, but how students interact with the teachers or other students can influence them to either stay, leave to another school or just drop out completely... same thing applies to the forums...

Both TK sites have good content, but how members interact with each other can be the deciding factor on a person staying, leaving, or just giving up with both altogether...

I hope this give you another burst of hilarity Meka... 😀

 

[MeatyBreastedDullness]

Perhaps saying that one is "cast out" was not the best choice of words on my part - it's more like people cast themselves out because of their actions?

Euphoricy isn't a bad example. People were not mean to her. She was not excluded from anything. She, not unlike Drew70 but to a MUCH lesser extent, made unwise, brash decisions that will not be discussed in detail but nonetheless caused her to think she is unwelcome. I think the only reason some people feel as though one portion of the community is less welcoming than another is because they did something foolish or arrogant and dug their own grave, so to speak.

Back to the original point - neither the TMF or TT are superior to one another. They are different. One focuses on certain aspects of the fetish that the other does not.

Just keep in mind that walking around stepping people's toes, especially if done intentionally, does not make those people harbor nice feelings about you.

Unless you are a female then you can walk on whoever you want and people will worship you .


As for the whole TMF vs TT debate ... Both sites have there own advantages and disadvantages but all in all they are both good sites both with generally nice people .

 

[Cybertickler]

Unless you are a female then you can walk on whoever you want and people will worship you .

Incorrect. People can make fools of themselves regardless of their gender, and being mean to people, throwing insults, and generally being self-centered makes people not want to be around you no matter what private parts you have.

Unless you were saying that you're more forgiving to women than you are to me, which is something the rest of us can't speak for - gender-bias on your own personal account is your prerogative. Personally, I don't take shit from anyone, male or female, but your results may vary.

 

[Amanda Cortez]

Yeah, tht right, I love them both

 

[MistressValerie1]

Please follow the "be polite" rule, and keep the hostility to a minimum in this thread. Some members are already on thin ice after their performances in the "TMF is down" thread.

We take the "be polite" rule very seriously! We do not tolerate any rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive will receive one warning (at our discretion). And if the member offends again the member will be banned without warning. This goes for private messaging as well.

 

[alchemy1]

My two cents

The Theater is more artist/story based and is, pretty much, an on-line only community.

The TMF is more media based and is very much a gathering community.

I stated with one and went to another.

Personally, I prefer the up close and personal approach and have had a blast at gatherings so I prefer the TMF.

 

[MeatyBreastedDullness]

Incorrect. People can make fools of themselves regardless of their gender, and being mean to people, throwing insults, and generally being self-centered makes people not want to be around you no matter what private parts you have.

Unless you were saying that you're more forgiving to women than you are to me, which is something the rest of us can't speak for - gender-bias on your own personal account is your prerogative. Personally, I don't take shit from anyone, male or female, but your results may vary.

I agree perhaps what I am trying to say is that there are certian memebers of the TMF who do that and they happen to be female and everyone fawns over that person where as a guy does it and it makes him a dickhead .

 

[BellaRisa]

Even when those in the tight-knit, inclusive community flame on others?

Or don't necessarily flame, but are in a constant state of undermining others?

Not saying you. I know Venray is quick to the gun to put the kobash on people for doing things he feels are not right and those things sometimes coincide with mitigating members.

Like, let's not put a bow on a pretty face. It's peaches and cream from the group, but there is a steady undercurrent of drama and inner justice. Euphoricy was one of the most productive posters on the forum and had done quite a bit of traveling amongst gatherings. Something happens and suddenly she's been cast out. May she have done something? Sure. If it has to do with relationships, I think the people doing it need to grow up and stop being children or wannabe sugar daddies.

I bring some undo attention to myself, but I am willing to admit that. TMF has a very loose moderation policy which is not as oppressive as people make it out. I know; I've gone in directions which I figured would have me eating a ban, at the very least a vacation. Maybe I'm different than drew70 in that out of 20 posts, 19 are somewhat constructive with the last one being a jab. However, what moderation leaves for you it allows its members. You piss some one off, and you might have that entire group of people ready to scream down your neck, who will chase you around the forum trying to provoke an argument with you, or to give people a reason to bury you. This is fine. If you are smart (which most are not), you can deal with it. At the same time, TT is also a breeding ground for this attack mentality. It's not peaceful and all that...or maybe it is now, but six months ago there were rabid dogs who in here.

The reason for the inclusion or exclusion, I believe comes down to a very simple item which nobody is willing to broach; gatherings. TMF is gathering heavy, with some in the user base trying to construct regional get togethers for those with the fetish to play and have a good time. In the grand scheme, this is fine. At the same time, you have NEST, which is advertised on the site, which gets the same people to make five hundred posts in anticipation of the coming event, and actually kind of puts a stop to the business as usual. This sort of publicity makes that gathering into something that transcends the actual event; it's the destination you want to get to. And while some might disagree with me or say I am exaggerating, unless you live in a healthy driving distance (lets say three hours, it was three hours from where I lived in Illinois to get to Chicago and that's about half the state), you are going to be paying a lot of money. You are going to be paying for your registration fee of seventy to a hundred dollars. You want to do the gathering how it is meant to be, as the social gathering of all social gatherings? You will be there Thursday and leave Monday. You stay at the main hotel? Probably a hundred dollars a night, and for four nights that is four hundred dollars. You pay for your food, so what, fifty to a hundred on food for four days? I mean you aren't going to be cooking in all reality. If you drive chip in at least sixty for gas, and that's if it is that three hour drive...if it's more your travel expenses will be more. If you are not in a healthy two state radius, you may as well fly, and that's about two hundred for round trip? Oh, and if you did that, get ready to have cab fare.

That's the NEST experience. You might meet some cool new people, you might get to tickle someone, you will be in Philadelphia (which really isn't a tour destination like New York or Chicago), and you will get to watch almost one thousand dollars of your money go into a hole. I love meeting people and talking to them. I live in Wisconsin and my best friends live in Michigan. For that same thousand dollar splurge, I could be going to sporting events, eating at my favorite places, and enjoying the company of people I know and still have five hundred left in my pocket...EASILY. And at some point, Nest becomes a money grab by organizers. Registration pays for main play venue, name tags, and food for the main venue. You basically are paying for your hotel and the event stuff out of your own pocket.

The difference is this; TT is more free lance, has people that probably have chips on their shoulder. It's a community that has these apparent artists, stragglers from TMF who are trying to keep their fetish alive, and people who really feel at home. It's a slower moving community because you don't have the amount of users descending upon it. TMF has a very important acronym in the name; Media. The inclusive community comes at the price of your pocket book. The entire left bar of the site is loaded with advertisements brandishing products involving MTJ art being sold or producer clips being solid with flashing pictures of models being tickled. Even something as noble as TMF Radio, which is JUST a free service people can stream off of, is loaded with advertisements. It would be like McDonald's throwing advertisements on PBS during a history of the hamburger program even though they aren't actually putting money into that program itself. TMF Radio was subject to money making debates, as if something used to bring people together and chat and listen to music somehow just wasn't good enough if people weren't getting a stipend of green.

A lot of people on the TMF and outside of it really complain about the TMF for the tight knit community which really does a good job of self multiplication. Guess what. Throw out a few thousand dollars by traveling to gatherings and buying clips and see what happens to you. You'll get what you always wanted. If you aren't wanting to do that, just roll with it and be yourself.

And this is just my analysis. TMF and TT are perhaps the absolute weirdest places I have been in, and it has NOTHING to do with the tickling fetish. It's everything else.

Excellent post, and I imagine you voiced what many feel 🙂

In my observation, the TMF only seems to have more gathering organization and actual real-life friendships than TT because there's more discussion of them over there, when in reality so many active people are members of both forums that events and friendships pretty much represent both boards. I will say that attending NEST and other get-togethers doesn't have to be nearly as pricey as the above would imply, we all find good ways to save money; at NEST we share hotel rooms with several folks and get good discounts online, we buy much of our food together and keep it in the room fridge and eat **cheap** whenever possible (you can do that pretty well in Philly), organize airport pickups or have a hotel with free shuttle service so no one has to spend on some cab...we do what we can to make it affordable. Furthermore, these days there are many other popular gatherings all around the country, like NHLee and my own Bella Bash, where your $30 registration fee feeds you very well all weekend and nabs you a space to crash at our homes or that of our nearby friends at no extra cost; even with travel costs people who attend such weekends can have an absolutely wonderful time without coming close to breaking the bank :cool

Meanwhile, I've never heard of any radio station, other than those on NPR maybe, that didn't have advertisements or give away free prizes to encourage listeners to tune in. TMF radio does just that, why wouldn't they? And the free comics and clips are, well, free. Which the advertisers do to help out the radio shows more than the hope of a few more sales, trust me. Hell, a large portion of our customers aren't even from America and they're sooo not listening to our little radio shows...:lol

I do find this interesting:

A lot of people on the TMF and outside of it really complain about the TMF for the tight knit community which really does a good job of self multiplication. Guess what. Throw out a few thousand dollars by traveling to gatherings and buying clips and see what happens to you. You'll get what you always wanted. If you aren't wanting to do that, just roll with it and be yourself.

I have never ever heard of anyone being popular and having lots of friends on the TMF or any other board because they buy clips. Hell, the average clip customer doesn't even post from what I can tell; lurkers seem to be the biggest clip consumers. As for traveling to gatherings, of course meeting one another offline will bring folks closer, that's just common sense; but there are many, many people on both boards whom we all enjoy and with whom we love to interact who have never attended a single event. Some live in the UK or other far away places, some are in situations where they can't travel, and some just plain don't wanna come to a gathering; we still like them and look forward to their posts. And that tends to be because they aren't what the moderators here would call a 'high maintenance' member, which I'm told they even have a rule about on the TT. Basically if you don't purposely seek out ways to insult and upset your fellow members, you don't impersonate the opposite sex just to be weird and to support your own arguments (what), and you post constructively and allow others to be themselves and feel good about their own posting, you'll be fine on either board.

 

[Cybertickler]

If you've never gone to NEST, please do not speak as though you have been, since you have absolutely NO clue what it's like to be there. You have no right to call it a money grab or a "hole" to throw money in to.

If you just plain don't HAVE the financial means to come to NEST, that's a real shame. NEST is a wonderful place to go, meet friends, and become part of a family, and I wish it were possible for EVERYONE to attend, but these kinds of things are not free.

I really do hope, meangry, to see you at some future NEST, so you have the opportunity to enjoy one of the most incredible and welcoming events in the tickling community, before you continue to make accusations and false assumtions based on no facts. 🙂 I think that, despite your misinterperetations of the event, you'd really enjoy yourself.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way - I'm not taking a shot at you, I just find it very irritating when you say these kinds of things that are very hurtful to the people who put so much blood, sweat and tears into these events, myself included.

 

[tff69]

wow, I really wish I would have made it last year, you make it feel so welcoming Viper! I do hope to shake hands with you one day, and meet up with other TT members. I do enjoy TT much more, I am a member of both but this group just sings to me!

 

[tklmaestro]

If you've never gone to NEST, please do not speak as though you have been, since you have absolutely NO clue what it's like to be there. You have no right to call it a money grab or a "hole" to throw money in to.

If you just plain don't HAVE the financial means to come to NEST, that's a real shame. NEST is a wonderful place to go, meet friends, and become part of a family, and I wish it were possible for EVERYONE to attend, but these kinds of things are not free.

I really do hope, meangry, to see you at some future NEST, so you have the opportunity to enjoy one of the most incredible and welcoming events in the tickling community, before you continue to make accusations and false assumtions based on no facts. 🙂 I think that, despite your misinterperetations of the event, you'd really enjoy yourself.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way - I'm not taking a shot at you, I just find it very irritating when you say these kinds of things that are very hurtful to the people who put so much blood, sweat and tears into these events, myself included.

I went to NEST once and even though I met some nice people, it just wasn't my thing, only because I found it very hard to fit into such a large group of people.
I also used to belong to the TMF but recently left because of the craziness that seemed to ensue over there, although now I'm finding out a Fetish forum is still a Fetish forum and sometimes the craziness follows no matter where you go.

 

[drew70]

What the TMF needs is leadership by example. How can they expect people to be civil when the senior admin publically refers to members as "asshole" or "social retard?"

Some of you may be thinking that can't be true. The membership wouldn't tolerate such hypocrisy. But they do tolerate it, and here's why:

Much of the TMF membership has been conned into believing that the TMF was created for the benefit of the community as a generous contribution for which the community owes the TMF's founder a great debt of gratitude. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The TMF is a BUSINESS! It's how it's owner makes money to earn a living. I keep hearing that the TMF is Jeff's "house" and that we should all be grateful for his "gracious invitation" to those who are "privileged" to be members. LOL. It's ludicrous! The TMF is a business; a service provider taking advantage of a growing market.

"But Drew," somebody might say. "How can you say that when the TMF is free?!"

Radio and television over the air waves is also free. Have any one of you ever felt such gratitude for this FREE entertainment? No? Why not? Because you know that the real reason it's there is to provide a venue by which advertisers can reach a marketable customer base. That's how they earn a living.

Why should we feel grateful when we know that WE'RE the ones doing THEM the favor by watching their TV shows, listening to their radio programs, improving their ratings? We've learned that though there's no money required of us to participate, we DO pay for these services in another way, by tolerating the commercial advertisements that inundate every program.

The TMF operates on the exact same principal! It has the same purpose and mission: To provide an entertainment venue by which advertisers can target a customer base to market their tickling media. The owner/admins are owed no debt of gratitude whatsoever. On the contrary, it's the membership that is owed the gratitude, for without it's membership, the TMF is nothing.

TMF members would do well to consider holding the senior admin accountable for any favoritistic decisions and/or questionable behavior, instead of just blindly accepting everything he does "cause it's his forum."

 

[P[a]pi]

I just wanted to clarify that when my wife, Meka, quoted Sammie and said "lmao!, that's hilarious" she was agreeing with Sammie.

Also, I don't understand why this type of thread keeps getting made. This is at least the 2nd thread on the same exact topic here, and I think at least one thread was made on TMF on the same exact topic.

 

[Duke Diablo]

OK, I believe this has gone far enough... so far, nothing good or constructive has come out of this discussion, and I don't see it improving any time in the future.

Once again, TT is not a place to be bashing TMF. It is an independent board. Both have their advantages, and people are free to choose one over the other, and their choices will be understood and accepted as long as they don't try to bash the other board. Also, remember that we do take the 'be polite' rule seriously here.

Yet again, this kind of thread has deteriorated into a flame-war.

Thread closed.