Tom Brokaw enjoys tickling Linda Vester at work

[Wolf]

No, not at all. From the persepctive of an avid observer of Americans, I'd say it's more of neurotic and silly behavior pushed through via various techniques of social engineering.

Am I correct in perceiving that you are ignoring everything in my quote aside from the piece you can use to get angry at?

No, I dismissed it as being superfluous equivocating. My response was to the last two direct statements you made.

 

[jonsmith]

No, I dismissed it as being superfluous equivocating. My response was to the last two direct statements you made.

Hmmm well that dismissal is certainly not mature.

 

[smokinj]

Telling a friend may help for some. But for others, there must be closure or it ultimately makes them mentally disturbed. If you were leaned in on for a kiss, what would you do in such a situation?

Well I can tell you my first call wouldn’t be to the press.

 

[Wolf]

Well I can tell you my first call wouldn’t be to the press.

Her first call wasn't to the press. It was to a friend. Which is what a lot of people do in these situations.

 

[smokinj]

I would say that we don't know what her intentions are on this matter.
We don't know for a fact that she is trying to capitalize on the Metoo movement, as some suggest.

She may have not wanted to come forward at all, but with everyone voicing their concerns, it seemed relevant to her.

We don't know.

We only have our opinions.

I do however put this up to american neuroticism however. The culture that we're participating in is becoming incredibly neurotic. BUT... it's our culture, so we'd have to clean it up.

To put this in proper perspective, he tried to kiss her on the cheek and tickled her ribs for what was probably just a few seconds. Is that worth ruining a man’s life over by going to the press? I think not.

 

[smokinj]

Her first call wasn't to the press. It was to a friend. Which is what a lot of people do in these situations.

Then how did the press get ahold of this story? Her ‘friend’ betrayed her trust and called them herself?

 

[Wolf]

Then how did the press get ahold of this story? Her ‘friend’ betrayed her trust and called them herself?

You have a serious lack of understanding of the timeline. She talked to several people right after these events, who advised her it wasn't worth complaining about because Brokaw was too important to NBC.

 

[smokinj]

You have a serious lack of understanding of the timeline. She talked to several people right after these events, who advised her it wasn't worth complaining about because Brokaw was too important to NBC.

Again, why come forward now? Frankly, I doubt most of her story anyway. Like Brokaw would put himself in that position with her? Maybe it’s true, maybe not but it’s not worth airing in public.

 

[Wolf]

Again, why come forward now? Frankly, I doubt most of her story anyway. Like Brokaw would put himself in that position with her? Maybe it’s true, maybe not but it’s not worth airing in public.

So, which parts do you believe?

 

[dcirish]

quick thought from a guy:

I will never understand the attitude of "these women shouldn't come forward" People (usually, but not always men) abusing power over others in their field in any kind of sexual way will never stop if they feel they will never be called out on what they are doing. We need to have an environment where the women are encouraged to come forward. This doesn't automatically make Tom Brokaw the devil, but if someone does something wrong, let's not get mad at people for revealing that they did something wrong.

 

[smokinj]

So, which parts do you believe?

I believe she may have been briefly tickled and may have leaned in for a kiss. Not sure about inviting himself to her hotel room.

 

[smokinj]

quick thought from a guy:

I will never understand the attitude of "these women shouldn't come forward" People (usually, but not always men) abusing power over others in their field in any kind of sexual way will never stop if they feel they will never be called out on what they are doing. We need to have an environment where the women are encouraged to come forward. This doesn't automatically make Tom Brokaw the devil, but if someone does something wrong, let's not get mad at people for revealing that they did something wrong.

I believe Brokaw did nothing to deserve all this hate.

 

[Wolf]

I believe she may have been briefly tickled and may have leaned in for a kiss. Not sure about inviting himself to her hotel room.

The incidents in/involving the hotel room was the first thing, and her reporting it to a friend at the time was corroborated; the tickling took place a year after.
And there's another person making an accusation against Brokaw, as described in the article.

So how do you decide what you're "not sure" about?

 

[smokinj]

The incidents in/involving the hotel room was the first thing, and her reporting it to a friend at the time was corroborated; the tickling took place a year after.
And there's another person making an accusation against Brokaw, as described in the article.

So how do you decide what you're "not sure" about?

As I posted on the other ‘Brokaw bashing’ thread, what if he thought she was flirting with him? At least the allegations against him would make sense then.

 

[jonsmith]

quick thought from a guy:

I will never understand the attitude of "these women shouldn't come forward" People (usually, but not always men) abusing power over others in their field in any kind of sexual way will never stop if they feel they will never be called out on what they are doing. We need to have an environment where the women are encouraged to come forward. This doesn't automatically make Tom Brokaw the devil, but if someone does something wrong, let's not get mad at people for revealing that they did something wrong.

I agree.

 

[Wolf]

As I posted on the other ‘Brokaw bashing’ thread, what if he thought she was flirting with him? At least the allegations against him would make sense then.

Wow. Seriously? Brokaw bashing? Who's bashing him? Who's saying he's not a good man, even?

 

[smokinj]

Wow. Seriously? Brokaw bashing? Who's bashing him? Who's saying he's not a good man, even?

I seem to be in the minority when it comes to defending him. Others seem to think he’s guilty of these allegations.

 

[Wolf]

I seem to be in the minority when it comes to defending him. Others seem to think he’s guilty of these allegations.

Believing one person is bashing the other?

 

[smokinj]

Believing one person is bashing the other?

That’s what it seemed like to me.

 

[LordJroy]

For all you “men” out there who claim women are overreacting or guys are no longer “safe” to have playful interaction with women, let me phrase it another way; I am a bisexual male, if I was your boss and I came up behind you and started ticking you at work or slapped you on the ass would you be cool with it or uncomfortable? Let me guess, you would probably freak the fuck out because you wouldn’t want a strange man touching you. Now you know how women feel. Don’t fucking touch people who don’t want you to touch them. This is kindergarten shit. You don’t have he right to another’s person’s body regardless of how horny or entitled you think you are. Grow up.

 

[jonsmith]

For all you “men” out there who claim women are overreacting or guys are no longer “safe” to have playful interaction with women, let me phrase it another way; I am a bisexual male, if I was your boss and I came up behind you and started ticking you at work or slapped you on the ass would you be cool with it or uncomfortable? Let me guess, you would probably freak the fuck out because you wouldn’t want a strange man touching you. Now you know how women feel. Don’t fucking touch people who don’t want you to touch them. This is kindergarten shit. You don’t have he right to another’s person’s body regardless of how horny or entitled you think you are. Grow up.

All of those men are going to disregard that statement though.

 

[LordJroy]

All of those men are going to disregard that statement though.

I’m sure. They will all call me a “White Knight” or a “Snowflake” because I don’t think men have a right to a woman’s body.

 

[Wolf]

I’m sure. They will all call me a “White Knight” or a “Snowflake” because I don’t think men have a right to a woman’s body.

Don't forget "Beta Males" and "Cucks".

 

[LordJroy]

Don't forget "Beta Males" and "Cucks".

If being a beta male means that thinking sexual assult is wrong, I’ll take it.

 

[jasonforde]

Why can't this community talk about edgy topics without calling each other these ridiculous names? Incels, snowflakes, cucks, betas?

Seriously, what is up with that? It's fascinating. It's an adult site, act like it.