underage tickling

[morgandee]

In the end, we, as adults, should be able to judge what is morally right and wrong. After all, arent the two kids in the TMNT voiced by people in their 30s?

doublestandard alert doublestandard alert doublestandard alert doublestandard alert doublestandard alert

bruce mccullough sez::::hate crime hate crime hate crime

once you figured out what i'm pointing out

i'll give you a common sense point

these kinds of points can be redeemed for audience applause

i'm really tired of pointing out the doublestandard factor and i think it's better that people figure out for themselves for a more honest education

and i have faith that you will realize what i'm saying because frankly i'm tired of being a broken record

 

[ira_gaines1]

I'm pretty sure I've read fics here involving under 18s.

I certainly have at ticklingforum. Do they have a different policy.

 

[Betchass1]

ok, if i can add my two cents

I agree with several posters saying that it all depends on the context of the scene. With the turtles' scenes, the teens werent tickled on their feet for a sexual reason, but only for drive them crazy enough to give up the jewel (or diamond or whatever, its been years)

another example I thought of is the clip of the children getting their feet tickled for an experiment for bbc uk online. While some may take it in a sexual context, it was originaly created purposely for the experimentation of the nerve endings in bare soles.

It's kinda the same with female bondage and the whole damsel in distress scenario. With TV and movies, it is not really meant to be a sexual situation (again, talking about kids cartoons/series stuff) but there to express danger or trapping (if again, in TMNT, if the Shredder ties up April O Neil, that is the universal sign that she is in danger) If a person becomes fond of that situation, that is totally unpredictable. To be honest, I still dont know what triggered my tickle/foot fetishes, but before I could remember, I loved tying bare feet, watching them flex, and tickling them to make them do moreso. I mean, is a 11yrd tickling the barefeet of a 11yrd girl playfully, to see what make her tick, the same of as 21yrd old doing the same thing, of course it isnt.

In the end, we, as adults, should be able to judge what is morally right and wrong. After all, arent the two kids in the TMNT voiced by people in their 30s? At the same time, this should also draw the line between this stuff and that of the scenario above, which I'm refering to tyflas and pinderloy messing around with 3yr old and such.

In TMNT they weren't tickled for sexual reasons, just for torture? I bet there were lots of children who watched it and perceived it as just a little sexual.
11 years is plenty old enough to have elements of sexuality. According to Freud and many others, sexuality is present pretty early on. I bet that 11 year old becomes that 21 year old (if you mean doing it to another 21 year old). 11 year olds have boyfriends and girlfriends and hold hands and kiss. I can even remember one boy on the playground saying the one girl's tits were okay.

Children are profoundly affected by stressful situations. I think being held down or tied up and tickled, no matter what the situation, is going to be on that child's mind for weeks, possibly giving them nightmares and almost certainly influencing sexual development.

Actually, it is legal AFAIK for two 15-year-olds to have sex. It's not considered pedophilia for either. It's just not legal for an adult to watch it, lol. Kind of weird if you think about it. But it's normal for a 50-year-old to lust after 25-year-olds.


"If she dies, she dies." -Clint Eastwood, on marrying a woman half his age.

 

[MistressValerie1]

I'm pretty sure I've read fics here involving under 18s.

I certainly have at ticklingforum. Do they have a different policy.

Both TTC and TMF allow stories involving under 18's if ALL of the characters are under 18 and the story is not sexually explicit.

 

[Betchass1]

Both TTC and TMF allow stories involving under 18's if ALL of the characters are under 18 and the story is not sexually explicit.

Is one of those sites this one? I'm confused...
Anyway, that's like walking through a minefield to get to a picnic grounds.

 

[Camel26]

Is one of those sites this one? I'm confused...
Anyway, that's like walking through a minefield to get to a picnic grounds.

Yes, TTC = Tickle Theater Community

And I've walked through a minefield to get to a picnic ground...not even the ants would try to mess with us after that!!! 😀

Anyhoo, I don't agree with kids being tortured in any way...however, if the kid is like I was, and asks to be tickled, as long as the adult is gentle and lets them up/stops when the kid says stop, it's fun for the kid! However, crossing the line...it's just not cool...I've had adults do that when I was little...and I was such a shrimpy little thing, too...there was no way I could fight back against a fully grown person...so yeah, that's not really ok either...IMHO

 

[Journia]

Yep. There is a good point.
Also, it would be termed as abuse in such a context, which makes the adult a child abuser, in the sense of what the abuser would have called, and what the abusee thought of (at first)as, fun. That of course would be amoral at the same time for one simple reason. The adult would have still thought it was fun to tickle the child and possibly thought, that the reaction of stop was simply from the tickling, which a lot of children do, sometimes because it is fun, I know, because tickled a lot of kids when Iworked at a daycare center, but anyway back to the subject, it possibly would not have occured to the tickler to stop tickling the child because their shout of klaughter and pleas for an end were real, I have tickled children who cried for me to stop, but when I did so, they said, "Go go go!!!". Of course the abuser can still be reported and put into jail for something like that. I am sure it has happened before somewhere.

 

[Betchass1]

Am I the only one who found Tickle Me Elmo really, really disquieting?

 

[Journia]

Nope. Welcome to the club.

 

[Dude'sonfire]

Am I the only one who found Tickle Me Elmo really, really disquieting?

*rolls around in hysterics*

 

[Journia]

*rolls around in hysterics*

Ha. Yeah....I got it first.

 

[FeatherFeet]

In TMNT they weren't tickled for sexual reasons, just for torture? I bet there were lots of children who watched it and perceived it as just a little sexual.
11 years is plenty old enough to have elements of sexuality. According to Freud and many others, sexuality is present pretty early on. I bet that 11 year old becomes that 21 year old (if you mean doing it to another 21 year old). 11 year olds have boyfriends and girlfriends and hold hands and kiss. I can even remember one boy on the playground saying the one girl's tits were okay.

Children are profoundly affected by stressful situations. I think being held down or tied up and tickled, no matter what the situation, is going to be on that child's mind for weeks, possibly giving them nightmares and almost certainly influencing sexual development.

Actually, it is legal AFAIK for two 15-year-olds to have sex. It's not considered pedophilia for either. It's just not legal for an adult to watch it, lol. Kind of weird if you think about it. But it's normal for a 50-year-old to lust after 25-year-olds.


"If she dies, she dies." -Clint Eastwood, on marrying a woman half his age.

there is no sexual content in KIDS shows. Are you kidding me? However a child watching it takes it is in no way the fault of those who made it. Your thinking in terms of yourself, not in terms of many non ticklphillies who dont think tickling any different than anyything else.

Most people seeing that scene, most kids in seeing a villan tie up and tickle two kids feet with a feather would probably just be thinking "thank god thats not me! I would so crack!"

its also a way to not scare kids. because most kids do like being tickled but they also like the idea of running from it or it being scary. and in excess it can be torture to them, so there you go, the perfect villanous action that would get kids thinking this guy is a villan and not scare them. Anything sexual that gets brought by that is not the intnetion and never will be the intention of a kids network.

 

[Journia]

there is no sexual content in KIDS shows. Are you kidding me? However a child watching it takes it is in no way the fault of those who made it. Your thinking in terms of yourself, not in terms of many non ticklphillies who dont think tickling any different than anyything else.

Most people seeing that scene, most kids in seeing a villan tie up and tickle two kids feet with a feather would probably just be thinking "thank god thats not me! I would so crack!"

its also a way to not scare kids. because most kids do like being tickled but they also like the idea of running from it or it being scary. and in excess it can be torture to them, so there you go, the perfect villanous action that would get kids thinking this guy is a villan and not scare them. Anything sexual that gets brought by that is not the intnetion and never will be the intention of a kids network.

Yes! Yes! He has hit the nail upon the head and plowed it into the plank of logic.....somewhat,.

 

[Journia]

On my way home today, I thought of something. If a Vanilla person as you call them, finds the tickling fetish to be strange, and some are hurt by it, while at the same instance, within the fetish community, there are those who look upon those who tickle those who are not minors with scorn, is that not ironic? I mean seriously, let us simply stop debating over this. It is a silly question to be put into the annals of debate. Let us simply solve it now. Those who like to tickle minors or find it unfair that minor tickling is scorned upon, you may have your view, and I would support you in what you do, whatever that may be. As long as consent is taken up with her or him. Those who have a deep detest for those who like Minor tickling, I support what you do, so long as you just stop being so needle like and negative about it. Simply because someone likes to tickle minors, does not mean that they are sexual predators, as is what some poeople in here are implying, those who have a deep hatred for it are over exxagerating it. While you argue over the tawdry, petty concepts, you are missing a vital mark. While we tear each other limb from limb, in an attempt to impose our concept of judgement over others with harsh words and sharp undertones, our interest of tickling becomes more taboo to others. We have people who like feet and tickling who go overboard and just attack the first girl or boy we see. We should debate on that person or persons and further our quest for global acceptance.

I am aware that My opinion may be come flam attractant so do not worry. I don't really care.
🙂

 

[Ticklish_Foot_T]

Well,

As I post this now I am going to say this once...if you are a ler...ok if the child is 15 and older, and it is consensual, then I think it is ok...but otherwise....no...now on the consent...if the child has at least reached the teen years, the I MIGHT consider it if she asked for it....but other wise, she / he would have to be at least 15, and it be consent for if i were asking....

Wayne

 

[BigNorm]

How do you determine whether that sexual element is involved? By the person's intentions?
Many parents don't take their children's rights seriously enough. To hold a child down and tickle him/her, saying it doesn't matter just because they are laughing, is still a form of abuse. If it's wrong to tickle an adult nonconsensually, how is it okay to do it to a child, just because *you* decide it's not sexual? Just because in the mind of the parent doing it it's innocent and harmless doesn't mean it's taken that way. It can be frightening and infuriating, no matter how it's intended.

More accurate would be to say that it's okay for a woman to do it but not a man.

i agree, quick tickles are ok, but holding a child down is a little much, unless they say they wish to be tickled like that, and even then, just do light tickling.

 

[MacD]

There are children who like to be tickled and there are adults who hate it.
There are parents 40+ who do it in a harmless and playful way and there are sadistic tickle-monsters (and more...) in their 20s who I'd really be aware of!
So maybe the mysterious answer can not be fixed to the peoples' age 🙂

Of course underage ticklees are a delicate matter. But what I really want...
What about NOT mentioning perversion and all that stuff in every 2nd phrase together with tickling?
I consider myself to be someone pretty normal who simply likes tickling.
Please try not to make me feel like the worst criminal, only because I read this forum 🙂

 

[omegaking7]

In response to Wayne's post:


Wayne, most of this isn't directed at you personally. I don't know you, and I don't purport to know you at all. I'm just reacting to the idea I see in your words, so don't think I'm flaming you - because I'm not. I'm trying maintain some respectful and thoughtful dialogue that I know we're all capable of.

That being said: isn't it troubling that the age of consent to enter into a legal and binding contract is 18 in the U.S.? Given what you've said, it would be okay for them to be tickled by an adult (assuming there is the all-important consent), but you couldn't legally sell them a car?

I'm not going to generalize, because nothing is 100%, but the fact is that a VAST majority of us are here for sexual reasons. Thus, to say that with consent a 15 year old (and oddly enough not a 14 or 13 year old, despite the fact that they have "reached the teen years") can be subjected to a sexual act (no, not all tickling is sexual - I'm putting it in the context of this forum) and that's okay? Or rather, you "MIGHT consider it if she asked for it"???

Why is this acceptable?

Ideas like this tend to lead to the harboring of much more dangerous ideas. Why 15? Can't we sneak it down to 13? Then what about 12? It's really close to 13. This slope is slippery, and it leaves too much room to negotiate.

My point is this: there needs to be a firm line drawn within a community like this that will ultimately prevent all of us from looking like we support the idea of pedophelia (which, by all accounts is wrong).

We're already marginalized as "perverts" enough - so much so that many of us hide our preferences. Stuff like this doesn't help the limited image we have already.

 

[Ticklish_Foot_T]

Well....

I am one to not be here for sexual reasons...unless such previews provide so, but to me...if the teen child is willing and/or either asks for it, then ok...but not in a sexual way b/c my kind sir...I am 18, and believe that sexual predators should be shot and killed on the spot....you get my drift...so I am trying to point out, I would not do it for a sexual reason...more for a playful thing...or if it were my child, maybe for punishment....I don't know how to really respond to it...but that is my opinion and my 2 cents...


Wayne

 

[morgandee]

sage goes in the email field

 

[Journia]

sage goes in the email field

That is just horrible, that image...Oriyaborealis.....where on earth do you find those?

 

[Ticklish_Foot_T]

That is a degrading image...mods...please remove it ASAP....

 

[MistressValerie1]

That is a degrading image...mods...please remove it ASAP....

I don't think that it was directed at any particular user but rather was a general commentary on the thread topic.

 

[MistressValerie1]

or if it were my child, maybe for punishment....

Oh my :wooha:

 

[BigNorm]

Oh my :wooha:

my thoughts exactly. tickling for punishment? now that's wrong in my opinion, then your kids would hate tickling, and that's bad, not to mention having to hold them down and tickle them against their will, that's bad.