Why do folks hate rap music so much?

COOLCAT88 · Sep 12, 2008

Why can't we all just, get along here, people?

Artoo · Sep 12, 2008

Was this just bumped from a year ago? 😉

People hate it because they hate the sound of it, and/or what it represents. It doesn't really matter - everyone is entitled to their own musical preferences.

It would be wrong to go onto a thread about a music genre and slate it with no thoughtful input to the topic, which I think was the premise for starting this thread all those months ago...

tklee88 · Sep 12, 2008

Here is my rant about rap music. I am a classically trained singer. I have spent YEARS trying to get to better understand my instrument, and I learn more and more about it everyday. I don't neccessarily HATE rap, I listen to some, and sometimes enjoy it in very minimal doses. However, it doesn't appeal to me because there is no actual MUSIC being made. I feel like it shouldn't be called rap MUSIC. I have a lot of respect for the people who can rap, because Lord knows I never could. I would never consider them musicians, though. If anything, they are poets. And some of the stuff that they come up with is really impressive, and some of the older artists really poured their heart and soul into their raps. Again, like most popular "music", there are the people out to make a small fortune quickly, and those people I really can't stand. So I guess my biggest dislike is the term "musician" and "music" being associated with rap, because there is none in it.

giggle-maker · Sep 12, 2008

ummm.....

I hate country....

:xlime:

xionking · Sep 12, 2008

AnnieHall said:
I agree here. If you're going to be a full-time employee of the "music scene" you have to understand, and respect, all forms of music, not just the ones that don't appeal to you. At least that's how I see it.

I can't exactly see anyone that actually works in the music business making a comment like that...

Actually, to really excel in the music industry, you really don't have to understand and/or respect all forms of music. You simply have to excel and be an expert of the genre you wish to succeed at.

In saying that though, you have two ends of the spectrum. On one end there's someone like Rick Rubin, who respects all forms of music, and has actually made so many different artists famous as a result (from Timberlake, to Slayer, from Beastie Boys to Slipknot) he excels at understanding the many forms of genres of music.

But then you have the other end of the spectrum. Like Fred Durst...who respects all forms of music so much that he releases this intergenre bullshit that is a waste of both yours and my time.

Rick Rubin is one very big exception to the rule.

I believe quality music comes about if an artist concentrates on the genre he/she is good at.

As for rap, whilst I can respect Tupac Shakur as a lyricist and poet, I really don't like rap music. There's a very simple reason why. Tupac rapped about social issues affecting lower class Black America in the '90s. He did it brutally, and he did it honestly. Yes, eventually he did get caught up in stardom and yes, eventually he turned into a bit of a fuckwit...but he rapped honestly.

Let's look at Timbaland. The guy cancelled his Australian Tour because he couldn't get negotiations figured out with the organising company here in Sydney. He wanted $250,000 for a 45 minute set.

That is not fucking worth it. And all it shows is that Rap Artists are not in it for the enjoyment of playing music to the people (which is the only reason artists should need), they are in it for the money.

From my point of view, hearing shit like that makes the Rap Genre look like a joke, and to me...in 2008, Rap music is a joke. Oh, yeah...I forgot to mention that the $250k that Timbaland wanted was per concert in Australia.

Let's consider the talent it takes to be a good rapper. The ingredients if you will...
1) You have to be able to speak.
2) You have to be able to swear.
3) And you must be able to construct your lines together in a way where it rhymes and is rhythmic.

Well, I don't know about anyone else here...but I learned about poetry when I was 12 years old. I learned all about limericks, stanzas, sonnets etc and I learned about rhythmic syllables. Did I mention that I learned this when I was 12?

To be able to contruct a 16 line verse that rhythmically sounds good and rhymes just doesn't sound like it takes much talent. Corey Taylor did it with 'Spit it Out' by Slipknot, and he screamed it!

Anyone who is half decent at English can find four words that rhyme together to make four lines. And after a few hours practice, I bet anyone who is half decent at English could find 4 sets of 4 rhyming words to construct a 16 line verse about how immature Niggah-G gangs are and how the promoting of violence in Rap music isn't going to lower how many kids are being shot up.

You wanna hear a good rapper? Download 'Little Weapon' by Lupe Fiasco.

-Xionking

Hopefully this is the kind of thoughtful input you were describing Artoo, ey.

Sandrock74 · Sep 13, 2008

I hate rap "music" because...

I am a white man who is getting older. I will soon be a cranky old white man...and they don't like nothin'!!

Dussicar · Sep 13, 2008

xionking said:
Actually, to really excel in the music industry, you really don't have to understand and/or respect all forms of music. You simply have to excel and be an expert of the genre you wish to succeed at.

In saying that though, you have two ends of the spectrum. On one end there's someone like Rick Rubin, who respects all forms of music, and has actually made so many different artists famous as a result (from Timberlake, to Slayer, from Beastie Boys to Slipknot) he excels at understanding the many forms of genres of music.

But then you have the other end of the spectrum. Like Fred Durst...who respects all forms of music so much that he releases this intergenre bullshit that is a waste of both yours and my time.

Rick Rubin is one very big exception to the rule.

I believe quality music comes about if an artist concentrates on the genre he/she is good at.

As for rap, whilst I can respect Tupac Shakur as a lyricist and poet, I really don't like rap music. There's a very simple reason why. Tupac rapped about social issues affecting lower class Black America in the '90s. He did it brutally, and he did it honestly. Yes, eventually he did get caught up in stardom and yes, eventually he turned into a bit of a fuckwit...but he rapped honestly.

Let's look at Timbaland. The guy cancelled his Australian Tour because he couldn't get negotiations figured out with the organising company here in Sydney. He wanted $250,000 for a 45 minute set.

That is not fucking worth it. And all it shows is that Rap Artists are not in it for the enjoyment of playing music to the people (which is the only reason artists should need), they are in it for the money.

From my point of view, hearing shit like that makes the Rap Genre look like a joke, and to me...in 2008, Rap music is a joke. Oh, yeah...I forgot to mention that the $250k that Timbaland wanted was per concert in Australia.

Let's consider the talent it takes to be a good rapper. The ingredients if you will...
1) You have to be able to speak.
2) You have to be able to swear.
3) And you must be able to construct your lines together in a way where it rhymes and is rhythmic.

Well, I don't know about anyone else here...but I learned about poetry when I was 12 years old. I learned all about limericks, stanzas, sonnets etc and I learned about rhythmic syllables. Did I mention that I learned this when I was 12?

To be able to contruct a 16 line verse that rhythmically sounds good and rhymes just doesn't sound like it takes much talent. Corey Taylor did it with 'Spit it Out' by Slipknot, and he screamed it!

Anyone who is half decent at English can find four words that rhyme together to make four lines. And after a few hours practice, I bet anyone who is half decent at English could find 4 sets of 4 rhyming words to construct a 16 line verse about how immature Niggah-G gangs are and how the promoting of violence in Rap music isn't going to lower how many kids are being shot up.

You wanna hear a good rapper? Download 'Little Weapon' by Lupe Fiasco.

-Xionking

Hopefully this is the kind of thoughtful input you were describing Artoo, ey.

This is, by far, the BEST analogy of the rap/hip-hop situation I have ever heard! :bowing:

Arstine · Sep 13, 2008

I know it's an old thread that should probably be left for dead but I must give my input.

I don't see that any of the original people are here to argue being qualified but I feel that I am. I used to be the producer for 2 local rap "groups" and I still do a bit of producing for my own personal projects. And if you have listened to my work on TMF Radio you will see what I can whip up with a sampler and a sequencer in 10 minutes.

First I'll cover my thoughts on the lyrics of rap now a days. It is extremely rare to hear something that's not laced with expletives and violence. These "artists" claim that they are talking from experience but I have to ask if these experiences, mostly made up I'm sure, are something that should be shared on a mass level. There is a huge culture that follows rap "music" and the violence and hate that is portrayed in their lyrics ARE spreading those actions on the streets.

I will say that it does take a marginal amount of skill to make the lyrics sound good. And some performers that I have heard do a really good job and have a very unique style. But the majority are half skilled hacks that only get popular because of advertising and spouting off crap that noone needs to hear.

Now to the "music". Anyone with half a brain and the slightest bit of technical prowess can make a rap track. All of the music I do is made with 3 programs. 1 cost me $29 and the other two were free downloads. I'm sure if someone were to spend a bit more and get something like Acid Pro ($299) they could turn out everything I do a lot easier. Basically, producing rap "music" is like riding the short bus of production.

Now, after I said all that, I do NOT dislike all rap. I rather enjoy quite a bit of it. It's just the thug style crap that I can not stand.

xionking · Sep 13, 2008

Arstine said:
Now to the "music". Anyone with half a brain and the slightest bit of technical prowess can make a rap track. All of the music I do is made with 3 programs. 1 cost me $29 and the other two were free downloads. I'm sure if someone were to spend a bit more and get something like Acid Pro ($299) they could turn out everything I do a lot easier. Basically, producing rap "music" is like riding the short bus of production.

Exactly. As you delve deeper into the Rap Industry, it's easy to see that it is run by very smart buisnessmen such as Timbaland, who can make a 20 buck song, and make millions off it. I'm sorry, but an industry primarily orientated in money making is not going to make quality music, whether it be rap, metal, electronic, or whatever.

Dussicar said:
This is, by far, the BEST analogy of the rap/hip-hop situation I have ever heard!

Haha, cheers, man. Musics my thing, I have a lot to say about it.

drew70 · Sep 13, 2008

COOLCAT88 said:
Why can't we all just, get along here, people?

We were getting along just fine till you dredged up this fossil. Nice going.
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xionking · Sep 14, 2008

drew70 said:
We were getting along just fine till you dredged up this fossil. Nice going.
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I don't see anyone arguing here?

drew70 · Sep 14, 2008

You're right. Clearly I overestimated the potential for volatility. It's good to see the discussion progressing calmly.

Still, why wait a year and a half after a conversation has died out to encourage us to "get along"? Does that make any sense to you?
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xionking · Sep 14, 2008

drew70 said:
You're right. Clearly I overestimated the potential for volatility. It's good to see the discussion progressing calmly.

Still, why wait a year and a half after a conversation has died out to encourage us to "get along"? Does that make any sense to you?
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Mmm, there could be a number of reasons why he asks us to 'get along'. One reason probably being that before it was dredged up again, there was already 11 pages of what probably is a lot of bickering, arguing and disagreements about rap music. I think he's under the impression that this thread isn't as old as it is.

COOLCAT88 · Oct 10, 2008

It's not the fact that Rap/HipHop music is bad. In large part, it has to do with the artists themselves and how they carry themselves. I'm sick of seeing people like 50 cent, Suge Knight, and whatnot inthe news.

SlaverTickler · Oct 6, 2012

Goodieluver said:
What im saying is Elvis wrote his music, he didnt pull a, say for example, vanilla ice, where he took the exact beats and sounds from other songs, and changed 1 beat or 1 sound and claimed it unique and original. It takes talent to be eric clapton, it doesnt take talent to be Easy E(or insert another name).

I am pretty sure this was said already, but Elvis didn't right his own music. There are a few songs where he changed some of the lyrics, and so he has some credit for that, but he wasn't a song writer, and said many times in interviews that he wished he had the talent to write music. He was an gifted singer, and was a tremendouse entertainer, but he was not a song writer.

SlaverTickler · Oct 6, 2012

xionking said:
Exactly. As you delve deeper into the Rap Industry, it's easy to see that it is run by very smart buisnessmen such as Timbaland, who can make a 20 buck song, and make millions off it. I'm sorry, but an industry primarily orientated in money making is not going to make quality music, whether it be rap, metal, electronic, or whatever.

Well I can't agree totally with that. While I believe the standard on everything has dropped in the name of the all mighty dollar, at the same time who is going to make a product for free. Would you go into work everyday so you could come home to you box in the alley way? I think not. Nobody works for nothing, not from the ditch digger to the big shot exec (and I have more respect for the ditch digger let me tell you), everybody is in it for the money in the long run. There is nothing wrong with putting out a product that sells, it's a matter of the consumer being smart enoug to tell the difference between whats good and whats crap.

Fat Boys, Run DMC, The Beasty Boys & Will Smith good, Gangsta are Rappers crap.

Why do folks hate rap music so much?

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