Why do folks hate rap music so much?

[Romanzu]

Kudos

I almost forgot... Kudos are most certainly in order. Goodie, this thread was an excellent idea. I feel that this discussion is just, and that drawing attention away from other threads so as to avoid insult is a very noble act.

...Peace!

 

[Jomel2]

i think that writing a song on an actual instrument like guitar shows a lot more talent and artistic ability than any form of rap. rap is all loops and samples, many rap songs that i've heard just have samples of other people's music. I'm not saying that ALL rap steals other peoples songs, but even the rap that doesn't is still all computer generated. Of course I only speak of the small amount of music actually involved in rap. I've never tried to actually Rap myself so i don't know how much talent it takes. but the sampling and drum loops are just pitiful.

 

[jaba]

There have been many things said here. I'll have to admit, I'm nowhere near the level of debate many of the people who have already posted on this thread are. However, there are many points -on both sides- that I must agree with. For starters, "Gangsta rap" is about as close to the roots of rap as the top of a two thousand foot tree.

Much of it is foul, and soured with the image of glorified violence and drug use.

However... Many people have brought up the good side of rap/hip hop. The artistic style does exist, and some have done it great justice.

As for disagreeing with certain sides of the genre, I readily agree. There is plenty of garbage out there. But that's not just with rap, and much of this 'garbage' is simply a matter of opinion. Robace brought up that he doesn't enjoy punk rock. That's his opinion, and he's fully entitled to it. I happen to enjoy it, and I'm not offended by his statement at all. I have a distaste for many songs, groups, and artists, but that doesn't mean I think that everyone who enjoys them is wrong for it.
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I agree with many of the above statements by Romanzu....

If you don't like jazz, or hip hop, or alternative rock, or classical, you obviously have your reasons and are entitled to your opinion....

if you don't like rap because you feel much of what YOU HAVE HEARD of it glorifies violence, or because you don't believe it is "music" , I believe that those are rational points to be debated, although in my opinion it tells me more about your level of exposure and knowledge about rap, and music, than about rap itself......if you listen to the idiot, cursing, drug dealing, women hating, rapping "idiots" blaring out of a car radio, and you believe that they are the same as the rap group "Black eye Peas" or "Outkast", or rapper "Common", then there is really a waste of time debating the issue with you.......that would be like me stating that I don't like todays music artists because "they all lip sync their lyrics and they can't really sing"......if I really held that misinformed, simplistic opinion, would it really be worth your time debating me?

And believe it or not, it IS possible to dislike rap/hip hop without trashing the entire genre..... just say you dislike the style of music, and some of its negative elements.....some rock and blues artists have had substance abuse and violence issues in the past, and some of that has been sang about in their music....but I think it would be pretty stupid of me to dismiss all of rock and blues music because of the antics of some of the artists....

Would it make any sense for me to hate all of country music because Johnny Cash had a drug problem, and sang in prison, and sang about the criminal element? Would that tell you more about country music, or about me about my limited exposure to country music?

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

some rock and blues artists have had substance abuse and violence issues in the past, and some of that has been sang about in their music....but I think it would be pretty stupid of me to dismiss all of rock and blues music because of the antics of some of the artists....

Most rockers don't sing about drug abuse because they are so wasted by the time they get on stage..they could barely stand up or sing. They usually don't sing about degrating women because then all their songs would be "what I do back stage when I'm not in the front." I'm sure a lot are responsible for spreading STD as well. But as long as they don't sing about these things..its must be OK.

 

[nostradamas]

But see, it's people like you that need to be educated. Since you obviously do not pay attention to things, let me give you a history lesson.

Oh Great, another lesson in Hip-Hop culture from a devoted fan.

Ever since this forum started, people have constantly criticized rap, even when their criticism wasn't asked for. People (like you), always just seem to make asinine Andcomments about rap, which always strikes a nerve with others. So, yeah, I made this thread so I can educate people. I am simply doing the exact same thing "rap haters" do in other rap music threads.

So you created this thread out of spite? Interesting.
It seems you are so in love with this particular genre that you are blinded by it. You love it so much, that you can't possibly fathom why anyone else wouldn't love it as much as you.
"Why, they must be ignorant, and not really understand it like I do, otherwise they would love it...just like me."

Now Nostradamus, do you have anything to say about the music itself or are you going to post about something that isn't even about the topic? Let's see if you can figure it out.

Brothah, you're barkin' up the wrong tree. I like rap/hip-hop. I PLAY BASS in a Rap/Funk/Metal band and have a blast! I produce, mix, and engineer tons of rap-type bands (i've stated this before in this thread, but i don't expect you to remember everything, since your too busy debating everyone). I don't agree with your delivery. How your trying to force your views. The intolerence that you're putting on display, while accusing "rap-haters" of the same rhetoric.

And no, I won't stop.....

Why should I when in the Politics forum, people give their opinions forever. I don't see you crying there...

I don't really expect you too. But I think most of us "get it" and it's gotten old.

And BTW, I don't go to the Political Forum.
Too much controversy

 

[primetime]

Nostradamus, please, give me a freakin' break. Oh *of course* you like rap/hip hop, but you disagree with my delivery. yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

If you are a true fan of the genre (i have my doubts), then you would completely understand where i am coming from. I can understand people who do not like rap music, i am confronting those who find it necessary to bash the genre whenever they possibly can. I see no other form of music bashed as much as rap. Certain people go out of their way to interject rude comments in any rap thread.

If you are a true fan of the genre, I noticed that you haven't even defended the genre when people claim it is not music. If you are what you claim you are (you mix, engineer, and produce rap bands), then you would find it insulting that someone would tell you that what you do does not require talent. You should find it insulting that people say what you are doing is NOT making music. You would damn well know it requires talent to make GOOD rap music.

If you are a true fan of the genre, you would realize that i am not forcing my views on anyone. I am simply defending a genre of music that I am a fan of. People will always have different tastes in music, but when people take "cheapshots" at rap music and spout out stupid insane comments, I will be offended. It is time rap fans have an opportunity to defend the music they like. If you don't like it, that is your own damn problem. And you call yourself a rap fan. Do you understand now? Probably not.......

Notice that others who have come in have stated their views, but not in such a harsh or critical type manner. Those people I have absolutely no problem with. Look at the last few posters outside of yourself. They have spoken their views and I have nothing against them. There are only a few I have issues with.

Oh yeah, where or where do I refer to others as ni**as? You claim I use the term with no problem, but when you use "wigger", you get criticized. Maybe your DELIVERY was terrible. Do you ever think of that? Of course not. Anything else?

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Most rockers don't sing about drug abuse because they are so wasted by the time they get on stage..they could barely stand up or sing. They usually don't sing about degrating women because then all their songs would be "what I do back stage when I'm not in the front." I'm sure a lot are responsible for spreading STD as well. But as long as they don't sing about these things..its must be OK.

It's just one of those things where people can't see that their complaints are also present in the types of music that they may like. They can see all the wrong in rap but can tolerate it from other forms of music. You have problems with the way some rappers treat women while rockers treat them the same way. You have problems with what you perceive as rapper promoting violence while rockers promote the use of drugs by leading the lives that they do. Why is it that some of you can turn a blind eye to what other musicians do?

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Nostradamus, please, give me a freakin' break. Oh *of course* you like rap/hip hop, but you disagree with my delivery. yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

If you are a true fan of the genre (i have my doubts), then you would completely understand where i am coming from. I can understand people who do not like rap music, i am confronting those who find it necessary to bash the genre whenever they possibly can. I see no other form of music bashed as much as rap. Certain people go out of their way to interject rude comments in any rap thread.
If you are a true fan of the genre, I noticed that you haven't even defended the genre when people claim it is not music. If you are what you claim you are (you mix, engineer, and produce rap bands), then you would find it insulting that someone would tell you that what you do does not require talent. You should find it insulting that people say what you are doing is NOT making music. You would damn well know it requires talent to make GOOD rap music.

If you are a true fan of the genre, you would realize that i am not forcing my views on anyone. I am simply defending a genre of music that I am a fan of. People will always have different tastes in music, but when people take "cheapshots" at rap music and spout out stupid insane comments, I will be offended. It is time rap fans have an opportunity to defend the music they like. If you don't like it, that is your own damn problem. And you call yourself a rap fan. Do you understand now? Probably not.......

Notice that others who have come in have stated their views, but not in such a harsh or critical type manner. Those people I have absolutely no problem with. Look at the last few posters outside of yourself. They have spoken their views and I have nothing against them. There are only a few I have issues with.

Oh yeah, where or where do I refer to others as ni**as? You claim I use the term with no problem, but when you use "wigger", you get criticized. Maybe your DELIVERY was terrible. Do you ever think of that? Of course not. Anything else?

Why is it that some of you must always inject your negative feelings about rap in threads that are meant to be positive. If you don't like rap then you shouldn't even enter certain threads. There have been plenty of threads dedicated to the memory of other musicians that I didn't know of or care for. We have been respectful to those threads, but for some reason rap threads don't get the same respect. There are times when those who don't care for rap should keep it to themselves and go on about their business.

 

[Goodieluver]

When did this thread become about heavy metal?

I actually enjoy the conversation that's took place thus far. It's been for the most part intellectual, informative and interesting.

It has degenerated into a "if you dont like rap you're stupid and here are the reasons" vs "we dont like rap and here are the reasons" and each side does not compromise to the other. Simply listing choice lyrics to support or counter does not prove a point

 

[Tickle Fiend]

It has degenerated into a "if you dont like rap you're stupid and here are the reasons" vs "we dont like rap and here are the reasons" and each side does not compromise to the other. Simply listing choice lyrics to support or counter does not prove a point

I think it's more of a "we like rap and know what were talking about" vs. "we hate rap and make general statements after hearing one song" thread. If you know what you're talking about then there is no need to compromise. We've acknowledged that some of the reasons that people don't like rap have merit, but there are people who don't like rap and are completely naive on that subject who continue to try and misinform people.

 

[jaba]

in defense of Rap, and Eric Clapton.....

It has degenerated into a "if you dont like rap you're stupid and here are the reasons" vs "we dont like rap and here are the reasons" and each side does not compromise to the other. Simply listing choice lyrics to support or counter does not prove a point

....you are right, Goodie, minds are probably not going to be changed as a result of this thread..... all I wish is that some folks here didn't post their abysmal ignorance, and in some cases outright, glaring stupidity, for all 45 thousand members of this forum to see....just because it is a persons God given right to display their stupidity here on the forum by their statements, there is no requirement to do so.....

but allow me to respectfully cite a few song lyrics here, to make a point?..


"Cocaine" by Eric Clapton....

"If you wanna hang out, you've gotta take her out...
Cocaine

If you got bad news, and you wanna kick them blues...
Cocaine

When you're day is done and you wanna run....
Cocaine

When your day is done, and you wanna ride on...
Cocaine

She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie, Cocaine"....

Now, I love Eric Clapton and I think he is a genius, despite the sentiments of this song regarding cocaine use...

and when I did a little research, it turns out that Eric Clapton did a lot of drugs in the early 70's, he got off drugs in 74, and struggled with alcoholism in the 80's. He eventually started a rehab center in Antigua....(someone actually made a parody of this song and titled it "Cobain", making fun of Musician Kurt Cobain's drug addiction...Cobain killed himself shortly after it was released.... 🙁 )

Here is my point, Goodie, and here is what I see going on in this thread...

some of the "supporters/ defenders of rap music here are probably not the best advocates of their positions, making stupid, unsubstantiated, unprovable statements like "if you dont like rap, its because you are "fill in the blanks"...

but, in my opinion, the displays of ignorance and stupidity are flying both ways.....

what if I were dumb enough to listen to Eric Clapton's " Cocaine" song, or "Sting and the Police's" song about an adult teachers attraction to a minor student, and then stupidly come to the conclusion that "I don't like rock songs because they glorify drug use and pedophilia"? And further, what if I were stupid enough to post these sentiments proudly on a 40 thousand member forum as if I actually held a rational, informed opinion? 😕 ...Do SOME rock and blues songs "glorify" negativity? Of course they do, but do you form your opinion of ALL of Rock and Roll based on these songs? If you do, then , at best, you display an embarrasingly abysmal ignorance of the genre, and at worse, you are, respectfully, an idiot, in my opinion.....

so, all that some of the "rational" defenders of Rap, who can make a "rational" argument for the defense of Rap (and there are a few here ) are saying, is that if you base your opinion of rap soley on it's negative elements, without exposing yourself to some of the other more insightful elements before reaching your conclusion, then please make one of two choices....post your obvious, glaringly uninformed comments, and subject yourself to the opinions of the masses, or do a little research and post your opinion based on all elements of the Rap genre.....

if you dont like rap because most don't sing their lyrics, thats cool....if you dont like Rap because "all of it is violence filled with drug use" then please don't display your ignorance here....and don't be startled at the backlash from those who appreciate much of the genre....groups like "Outkast" and "Black Eye Peas" don't deserve to be subjected to your ignorance......

 

[primetime]

Goodie, if you think the thread has degenerated into nothing (which it hasn't), then why do you even bother? When are you going to come back with a logical argument? When are you going to pay attention and realize why this thread was started? My guess is never, but I have been suprised before....

To remind "rap haters", I do not expect you to all of the sudden like rap music. My goal is to get the "haters" to at least RESPECT rap fans and leave their ridiculous, snide comments out of rap threads, especially when rap fans are trying to have a positive conversation. Is that too hard? I guess so because they continue to post their vile, ignorant hate. Gee, if you hate the music that much, why even bother telling us KNOWING full well that you are going to offend fans of the genre? I am dishing back what you give.

To the other posters who do not like rap, but have respectfully (key word) gave their opinions, thank you. You gave your opinions, didn't inject a bunch of stupid nonsense and I for one, value your opinions. This thread has been educational and I hope that anyone reading this thread will have a better understanding of the rap genre and can form a better opinion. Some people may have had a negative view on rap, but maybe, just maybe, they got to hear the positive side and can respect the genre. That is all I ask....

 

[Iggy pop]

I despise rap for many reasons. Firstly, im a hard core metal head. Secondly, its not really music. Its an idiot who cant speak English trying to cash in on the fact that kids are stupid and like the idea of a life where they can beat people up... The genre of music is breeding a generation of pop culture drones who dont give a shit about anything but themselves. I understand how rap can be appealing because it speaks to the streets. Its a pity that so many rappers are just terrible song writers. If that would change it would be more appealing. In any case, im all for rock n roll.

I think 95% of heavy metal sucks. The lyrics are often unintelligble, the singers sound like dead cats, 8 minute guitar solos that could easily be cut down to 30 seconds, and worst yet drums solo. I remember in Junior high buying iron maiden albums because we thought the art was cool, but cringing when we actually had to put it into the CD player.

Then again I obviously like Iggy Pop, and there are people out there that think he sucks, and that is cool. I don't expect everybody to like what I like.

A lot of people are criticizing the content of Rap, and that is fine. However, you have to be willing to criticize the content of your own music. And somehow I don't think you all are listening to Pat Boone and the Osmonds. If you have problem with disrespecting women, then you should not listen to a lot of rock music. If you have a problem with drugs, then I would stay away from much of the rock music.

The only major diffrence between Rap and Rock is the glamorization of violence. The violence is Rock and Roll is eithier more mythical, fantasy, or from a third person point of view. It does not have the muchismo that is often found in Rap music. Of course there are a few exceptions, and far from all Rap music is violent.

 

[Grimgor]

Rap speaks to the world. Kanye West, Lupe Fiasco, the Game, Common...all rappers, all speak english. Funny that you would come in here calling a group of people idiots while you make an idiotic statement. I think you're just jealous that rap is much more popular than your precious heavy metal.

Popularity can be misplaced. Look at Brittany Spears. Just because something sells well, doesnt mean its necessarily good. The reason rap is more popular then heavy metal is because of massive media glamorization and support. Its no challenge to be popular when the media is helping you. However, consistantly making chart topping songs without their help like most metal bands do is quite a challenge indeed. As far as metal lyrics being hard to understand, you must take into account that most of the best and most popular bands are from the 70s and 80s, the record companies were mostly low budget at the time. In any case, music is just one of those things that is based on oppinion, I will never get into rap, and im sure rap fans generally keep their distance from rock. The 10 minute solo thing is a matter of art. You have to be a deep music listener to really appreciate it. If I offended anyone in my post, I apologize. We should all take into account that everyone is different and the fact that no one genre of music can take over the market is a great aspect of the western world.

Thanks for reading,
- Rob 🙂

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Popularity can be misplaced. Look at Brittany Spears. Just because something sells well, doesnt mean its necessarily good. The reason rap is more popular then heavy metal is because of massive media glamorization and support. Its no challenge to be popular when the media is helping you. However, consistantly making chart topping songs without their help like most metal bands do is quite a challenge indeed. As far as metal lyrics being hard to understand, you must take into account that most of the best and most popular bands are from the 70s and 80s, the record companies were mostly low budget at the time. In any case, music is just one of those things that is based on oppinion, I will never get into rap, and im sure rap fans generally keep their distance from rock. The 10 minute solo thing is a matter of art. You have to be a deep music listener to really appreciate it. If I offended anyone in my post, I apologize. We should all take into account that everyone is different and the fact that no one genre of music can take over the market is a great aspect of the western world.

Thanks for reading,
- Rob 🙂

It's not like rap has always been this popular. Back in the day people really didn't want to recognize rap as music. It took time for it to become what it is today. They stayed true to the art form and eventually it broke through. The exposure that rap has been given definently helps when it comes to popularity. However, people aren't going to like it just because it is on the radio. People can pick and chose what they want to listen to and people obviously want to listen to rap.

 

[Grimgor]

It's not like rap has always been this popular. Back in the day people really didn't want to recognize rap as music. It took time for it to become what it is today. They stayed true to the art form and eventually it broke through. The exposure that rap has been given definently helps when it comes to popularity. However, people aren't going to like it just because it is on the radio. People can pick and chose what they want to listen to and people obviously want to listen to rap.

Granted, but the word "people" is broad indeed. Heavy Metal's fan base will always be big but always be more of an underground genre. Cant say I dont like it that way. If rap does for you what rock n roll does for me, then I say God speed and stick to what you like. Once again thanks for reading.
- Rob

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Granted, but the word "people" is broad indeed. Heavy Metal's fan base will always be big but always be more of an underground genre. Cant say I dont like it that way. If rap does for you what rock n roll does for me, then I say God speed and stick to what you like. Once again thanks for reading.
- Rob

There are alot of people who would prefer for rap to be the underground genre it used to be. The media's acceptance of things often water them down. Some would argue that that's what has happened to rap.

 

[nostradamas]

Nostradamus, please, give me a freakin' break. Oh *of course* you like rap/hip hop, but you disagree with my delivery. yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

why not? It makes perfect sense



If you are a true fan of the genre (i have my doubts), then you would completely understand where i am coming from.

Why? Because a "true fan-atic" is coming from where you are? And that's where? mon nappe' au freher?


I can understand people who do not like rap music, i am confronting those who find it necessary to bash the genre whenever they possibly can. I see no other form of music bashed as much as rap. Certain people go out of their way to interject rude comments in any rap thread.

Well, let's see. You did start the thread asking people WHY they hated rap, right? Then when you received the "wrong" answers, you argued as to why their answers were "uneducated". So then you attemptedto educate us (and I use that word lightly) , so we can see the light, like you do. How clever. A bad trap at best.




If you are a true fan of the genre, I noticed that you haven't even defended the genre when people claim it is not music. If you are what you claim you are (you mix, engineer, and produce rap bands), then you would find it insulting that someone would tell you that what you do does not require talent. You should find it insulting that people say what you are doing is NOT making music. You would damn well know it requires talent to make GOOD rap music.

WoW. Telling me how I should feel. I feel sorry for your girlfriend, if you have one. This is my life, essay. I am a lifelong fan, AND a full-time employee of the music scene, not a casual fan-atic...like jew.

Face it. It takes minimal talent to rap. No investment...i.e. you don't even need to own a mike-ro-fone suckah! Nadda! Ya jus' gotta hav a big mouff!! Now Yo! 'n word to yo muthah.

The thang is ...if you been payin' attention at all....really..

Rap is trash. It's DEAD.

Now, just let it die...like 80's hair-metal.

Nuff said
Word 2 yo Momma!
Biatch!!!

 

[ralavik]

hello

 

[jaba]

WoW. Telling me how I should feel. I feel sorry for your girlfriend, if you have one. This is my life, essay. I am a lifelong fan, AND a full-time employee of the music scene, not a casual fan-atic...like jew.

Face it. It takes minimal talent to rap. No investment...i.e. you don't even need to own a mike-ro-fone suckah! Nadda! Ya jus' gotta hav a big mouff!! Now Yo! 'n word to yo muthah.

The thang is ...if you been payin' attention at all....really..

Rap is trash. It's DEAD.

Now, just let it die...like 80's hair-metal.

Nuff said
Word 2 yo Momma!
Biatch!!!

surely a person of your "obvious" intelligence but questionable maturity (yes, you are on embarrasing public display to all of the thousands of us here who are trying to INTELLIGENTLY discuss a topic ) can find another thread to express your "well thought out" opinions?

one would expect a more mature response from a self expressed "full time employee of the music scene".....i guess the "music scene" is desperate for anybody who can fill out a job application..........

 

[primetime]

Are you serious? Okay, "genius" (yeah, i use that term very sarcastically), the point of you writing like that is for what reason? You made no sense (not surprisingly) and you really have no argument. Now sit down and learn a lesson today.

I guess you missed my point of why i started this thread. I wanted to give an opportunity for people to state why they hate rap. Now, I knew people were going to spew their hatred and you probably thought that this would be all one hate filled thread. I planned to defend rap and interject my defense of it in a thread where people thought it was just going to be negative posts. Much like how rap haters interject their opinions in a positive rap thread. See the point? Probably not...

I can't even put into words (due to the Golden rule) what I think of your intelligience. Really, if you are a TRUE fan of the genre, you will not call it trash. Otherwise, why do you like it? You contradict yourself "genius". If you are a TRUE fan of the genre, you would completely understand what it takes to be a successful rap artist. If you are a TRUE fan of the genre, you KNOW it takes talent to be good at it. Not everyone can do it. Please you freakin "genius", what does the phrase "true fan" mean? Go ahead with your infinite wisdom and explain to the masses how you can be a "true fan" and say that rap is trash. If you are truly a full time employee of the music industry, my guess it your role has a lot more to do with scrub brushes and mops more than evaluating musical talent.

It is really obvious that you know NOTHING about the genre. Stop "frontin'" and go back into the hole from which you came. Word to yo mutha...

I was going to mention something about your girlfriend, but that darn Golden Rule prevents me from doing so. If you do not have a girlfriend, i can see why. Have a nice day....

 

[chicago]

surely a person of your "obvious" intelligence but questionable maturity (yes, you are on embarrasing public display to all of the thousands of us here who are trying to INTELLIGENTLY discuss a topic ) can find another thread to express your "well thought out" opinions?

one would expect a more mature response from a self expressed "full time employee of the music scene".....i guess the "music scene" is desperate for anybody who can fill out a job application..........

I agree here. If you're going to be a full-time employee of the "music scene" you have to understand, and respect, all forms of music, not just the ones that don't appeal to you. At least that's how I see it.

I can't exactly see anyone that actually works in the music business making a comment like that...

 

[Azrael]

I'm a full-time employee in the restaurant business, but I'm not a chef.

People who make comments like that are desperately trying to drum up respect for something that they themselves don't feel they deserve any respect for, i.e. "acknowledge this, and give me a few more ego points."

As with most things, those who have it... don't NEED to flaunt it.

... biatch 😛

 

[Goodieluver]

You can be in a band and be considered a "employee of music" so to speak

So you dont need to be impartial in that base

 

[jaba]

You can be in a band and be considered a "employee of music" so to speak

So you dont need to be impartial in that base

That's true, Goodie.....but while one need not be impartial on the subject, I think we could at least expect, or at least hope for, a MINIMAL level of intelligence displayed by someone who jumps on this topic and purports to be somehow associated with the music scene"......

Kinda hard to have an intelligent dialogue with an admitted "employee of the music scene" who spits out a few lame rap lines, and expects his weak attempt at humor to make his point for him.....