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X-Men 3 good or bad?
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I enjoyed it, although it didn't follow the comic AT ALL.
The director took MANY liberties with the xmen characters...
And the fact that collosus (sp?) didn't really do anything just about killed it for me.
And finally, Jean Grey is NOT as powerful as they made her look in the movie.
In the comics, magneto is like a God.
I thought Beast was awesome, and my fav superhero/xman, storm, was AWESOME in this movie.
The director took MANY liberties with the xmen characters...
And the fact that collosus (sp?) didn't really do anything just about killed it for me.
And finally, Jean Grey is NOT as powerful as they made her look in the movie.
In the comics, magneto is like a God.
I thought Beast was awesome, and my fav superhero/xman, storm, was AWESOME in this movie.
Basically, I thought it was shit. Too many characters with nothing to do, very little plot, and what there was just functioned as an excuse to lead up to the climax. Basically, the only good things were Kelsey Grammar's performance and the moment where Iceman finally sheathes himself in ice, I thought the way they handled it with it more or less emerging in a life or death situation was pretty cool.
Other than that, I wait 3 movies to see a fucking Sentinel and they barely even show the thing, never got to see Gambit, Sinister, or Apocalypse. Seriously, lousy way to end the series.
Yeah she is. She put subconscious blocks on herself to keep her powers from developing faster than she could control them.
Other than that, I wait 3 movies to see a fucking Sentinel and they barely even show the thing, never got to see Gambit, Sinister, or Apocalypse. Seriously, lousy way to end the series.
Yeah she is. She put subconscious blocks on herself to keep her powers from developing faster than she could control them.
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Yea, I thought it sucked that most of the brotherhood weren't even introduced...
They spent more time focusing on the asian guy with spikes (dumbest power EVER) ... than on the cool villians, like Juggernaut...
The thing that bothered me, is that they tried to make it look like jean grey had a stronger mind than xavier, which if you read the comic, isn't the case.
They spent more time focusing on the asian guy with spikes (dumbest power EVER) ... than on the cool villians, like Juggernaut...
The thing that bothered me, is that they tried to make it look like jean grey had a stronger mind than xavier, which if you read the comic, isn't the case.
As Strider point out, the fact that there was no Sentinels nor Gambit (one of the coolest X-Men) made one of its down sides. They really made a great job with Jean grey, the fact is, she had that kind of power in the comics, well actually not Jean grey alone but when she had the Fenix within her, she could do a heck of a lot more than that. Once more i agree that the plot suffered from the fact that there was a lot of characters and that they didn't have time to explore each one of their stories. Aside from all of this, i think that from all three this was the best one, cause although it didn't have anything to do with the comics storyline they really gave much more importance to the visual and stunning effects, so we had a much greater display of powers and battles, in other words they really pulled out all the stops!!
I thought it was great. In the XMEN III trailer thread, I mentioned that the title had me wondering if this was going to be the last XMEN movie (with this cast, at any rate) After seeing the movie, it seems pretty clear to me that the screenplay was written under that assumption, considering the number of major characters that were either killed or rendered useless.
One thing that was gnawing at me throughout the movie was that The Beast, though blue, looked vaguely familiar to me. I kept thinking I should be able to recognize that actor, but I couldn't place him. Then as the movie finished and the credits were rolling, I saw the name, Kelsey Grammer. That's when it clicked for me. In retrospect, the scene in which The Beast and Wolverine are fighting side by side, the Beast's dialogue was very Frazier-esque.
In the movie version, the saga of the Phoenix was very brief, and she never had control of her power. In the comic book, she did have control thanks to Professor Xavier's psychic dampeners, but these were gradually removed by Jason Wyngard, who seduced Jean into becoming the Hellfire Club's "Black Queen." It was Wyngard's meddling with Jean's mind that caused her decent into "Dark Phoenix." In the comic book, it isn't Wolverine who puts her out of her misery, but rather Cyclops. Actually, I think Jean telekinetically opened Scott's visor, commiting suicide. That was back when John Byrne was drawing the X-Men and Chris Claremont was writing.
One thing that was gnawing at me throughout the movie was that The Beast, though blue, looked vaguely familiar to me. I kept thinking I should be able to recognize that actor, but I couldn't place him. Then as the movie finished and the credits were rolling, I saw the name, Kelsey Grammer. That's when it clicked for me. In retrospect, the scene in which The Beast and Wolverine are fighting side by side, the Beast's dialogue was very Frazier-esque.
In the movie version, the saga of the Phoenix was very brief, and she never had control of her power. In the comic book, she did have control thanks to Professor Xavier's psychic dampeners, but these were gradually removed by Jason Wyngard, who seduced Jean into becoming the Hellfire Club's "Black Queen." It was Wyngard's meddling with Jean's mind that caused her decent into "Dark Phoenix." In the comic book, it isn't Wolverine who puts her out of her misery, but rather Cyclops. Actually, I think Jean telekinetically opened Scott's visor, commiting suicide. That was back when John Byrne was drawing the X-Men and Chris Claremont was writing.
About Jean Grey and Xavier i would like to add that in the storyline the professor also puts barriers on his own mind to keep his higher powers from getting ou. Mentally he is The most powerfull of all the mutants, the greatest advantage of jean grey is the fact that she is a telekinetic, and yes she always had a great potential to equal Xavier. But in terms of greater power, and if Xavier were to release his power to the fullest, well, we've seen the results of what that might bring with the Onslaught... 
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This was THE worst X-men EVER!! They killed Prof. X!!!! They killed Cyclops!!! (Although I really dont like him). They killed Jean Greay!!!! Magneto lost his powers!!!! Rogue lost her powers!!! WTF!!! Mystique lost hers too!!! Juggernaut is not a $#@$#!@$%@! mutant!!! The Phoenix is NOT a part of Jean Grey's psychee its an ENERGY BEING!!! What kind crack was that jackass director smoking???!!!
I enjoyed it. Yes, there were changes made, but I think some of them were necessary. Yes, in this Juggernaught is a mutant, and in the comics his powers are mystical in nature. But he's a great villain, has very strong ties to the X-Men, and introducing magic into this would just be too much, methinks. And yes, Phoenix is a cosmic entity, not Jean's ID, but again, that would be opening up a whole new can of worms that would overload the movie (the Shi'ar, the blue area of the moon, possibly the Watcher).
In the comics, it is made clear Xavier is the most powerful telepath on Earth. Jean is very powerful, but Xavier is a bit more powerful. When he battled Jean in the Dark Phoenix Saga, he didn't overpower Phoenix, so much as reinforce Jean's personality to help cage the Dark Phoenix. So, Phoenix is probably stonger than Xavier (being a cosmic entity who is an expression of life in the universe and all), but Jean is not.
At the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga, Jean basically commits suicide. She holds Scott at bay, and activates an ancient weapon on the moon's surface (where the X-Men are fighting) and disintigrates herself.
In the comics, it is made clear Xavier is the most powerful telepath on Earth. Jean is very powerful, but Xavier is a bit more powerful. When he battled Jean in the Dark Phoenix Saga, he didn't overpower Phoenix, so much as reinforce Jean's personality to help cage the Dark Phoenix. So, Phoenix is probably stonger than Xavier (being a cosmic entity who is an expression of life in the universe and all), but Jean is not.
At the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga, Jean basically commits suicide. She holds Scott at bay, and activates an ancient weapon on the moon's surface (where the X-Men are fighting) and disintigrates herself.
Ok, here is a list of things i liked in this movie off the top of my head.
-Beast. Always been a big fan of beast. Mind of a scientist, heart of a poet, and physic of...well, a beast.
-New x-men. I admit i liked the bolstering of the ranks. To be honest, thats one thing thats always disapointed me about the X-men movies. Not enough X-men.
-More mutants for the brotherhood. I also thought they needed some new mutants for the villians.
And here's what i didn't like.
-Juggernaught. Even though i love vinnie Jones, and i like the charactor, i think there's too much history that goes with the juggernaut to simply have him as dumb muscle like he was in the movie. They should have just got "the Blob" to fill that role.
-Mystic. I liked her charactor. How they removed her powers was just lousy and in no way added to the story i though.
-As i believe others have stated before, too many mutants, not enough time. I did enjoy the increase in X-men, there was no real time to build on them.
-Nightcrawler. Or to be more accurate the lack of him. After seeing clips for the game thats supposed to be based on the movie(and i could have sworn i saw him in a movie clip) after the second movie i was sure he'd stick around. Sadly, it seems he didn't.
-Sabbertooth. Or once again, to be more accurate, the lack of sabertooth. IMO, having sabertooth in the first movie was great, and the fight between him and wolverine was a great slugfest. Now, i understand why he wouldn't be in the second movie, with Magneto imprisioned and all, but there was no excuse for him to be lacking in the third movie, and could easily have replaced Juggernaught for the "Muscle" role.
-Death of Xavier. Now, this did bother me. I don't think he should have been killed by Jean. It just seems wrong, but moreso, it seems wrong that Magneto wouldn't help him. While i admit i don't read the comic a lot, it seemed to me more allong the lines that Magneto would be able to kill Xavier if he was fighting him, i don't think he would simply sit idle and let Xavier just get killed. Maybe somebody else feels differently and has read the comics more, but from my understanding it didn't fit.
-Death of Cyclops. Now this REALLY pissed me off. not so much that a main charactor died. going into the movie, i already knew from a review i read in the newspaper at least two main charactors were going to die,(I expected them to be Xavior and Magneato as they joined forces to fight Phoenix, as i think they should have)but it was scott who was killed. This was just totally out of place, and i think any fan of the series, be it cartoon, comic, or movie knows this. And even if he was to die, he was killed in such an incredibly sub-par way. I mean, if he died killing Jean, then yeah, that i could live with. But this just pisses me off.
-Use of mutants as fodder. Now, Magneto using the other mutants as cannon fodder is totally out of charactor. It's just not him. He has always seemed to me as to be one to view other mutants as his children, more or less, and to use them as a shield just doesn't fit.
thats all that i can think of off the top of my head, but as one can see, i deffinitly disliked more things then what i liked.
-Beast. Always been a big fan of beast. Mind of a scientist, heart of a poet, and physic of...well, a beast.
-New x-men. I admit i liked the bolstering of the ranks. To be honest, thats one thing thats always disapointed me about the X-men movies. Not enough X-men.
-More mutants for the brotherhood. I also thought they needed some new mutants for the villians.
And here's what i didn't like.
-Juggernaught. Even though i love vinnie Jones, and i like the charactor, i think there's too much history that goes with the juggernaut to simply have him as dumb muscle like he was in the movie. They should have just got "the Blob" to fill that role.
-Mystic. I liked her charactor. How they removed her powers was just lousy and in no way added to the story i though.
-As i believe others have stated before, too many mutants, not enough time. I did enjoy the increase in X-men, there was no real time to build on them.
-Nightcrawler. Or to be more accurate the lack of him. After seeing clips for the game thats supposed to be based on the movie(and i could have sworn i saw him in a movie clip) after the second movie i was sure he'd stick around. Sadly, it seems he didn't.
-Sabbertooth. Or once again, to be more accurate, the lack of sabertooth. IMO, having sabertooth in the first movie was great, and the fight between him and wolverine was a great slugfest. Now, i understand why he wouldn't be in the second movie, with Magneto imprisioned and all, but there was no excuse for him to be lacking in the third movie, and could easily have replaced Juggernaught for the "Muscle" role.
-Death of Xavier. Now, this did bother me. I don't think he should have been killed by Jean. It just seems wrong, but moreso, it seems wrong that Magneto wouldn't help him. While i admit i don't read the comic a lot, it seemed to me more allong the lines that Magneto would be able to kill Xavier if he was fighting him, i don't think he would simply sit idle and let Xavier just get killed. Maybe somebody else feels differently and has read the comics more, but from my understanding it didn't fit.
-Death of Cyclops. Now this REALLY pissed me off. not so much that a main charactor died. going into the movie, i already knew from a review i read in the newspaper at least two main charactors were going to die,(I expected them to be Xavior and Magneato as they joined forces to fight Phoenix, as i think they should have)but it was scott who was killed. This was just totally out of place, and i think any fan of the series, be it cartoon, comic, or movie knows this. And even if he was to die, he was killed in such an incredibly sub-par way. I mean, if he died killing Jean, then yeah, that i could live with. But this just pisses me off.
-Use of mutants as fodder. Now, Magneto using the other mutants as cannon fodder is totally out of charactor. It's just not him. He has always seemed to me as to be one to view other mutants as his children, more or less, and to use them as a shield just doesn't fit.
thats all that i can think of off the top of my head, but as one can see, i deffinitly disliked more things then what i liked.
For it to have TRULY followed the comics would have been better for me.
They would have however needed "The Avengers" which Marvel is now FINALLY contemplating as a X-Men type 3 movie series. Id like to see that, but I knew they couldnt really get a good story line going with the sentinels without using the Avengers...or to me one of the greatest comic fight scenes ever where Captain America and Wolverine go toe to toe and it ends as a draw.
I am very dissapointed they killed of Prof X. Much like Spiderman they strayed WAY to much from the comic...IMHO and I hope with whichever they do next (Iron Man, or The Avengers, Wolverine) they do a better job on following a freaking storyline. I do however keep hearing about Fantastic Four 2 and from what I understand it will follow the Silver Surfer/Galaticus angle...THAT I WOULD LOVE!! Silver Surfer is the man and in the long-ago DC/Marvel tie in and fight afterwards, Silver Surfer was easily the most powerful all comic book heroes be it DC or Marvel.
Rob
They would have however needed "The Avengers" which Marvel is now FINALLY contemplating as a X-Men type 3 movie series. Id like to see that, but I knew they couldnt really get a good story line going with the sentinels without using the Avengers...or to me one of the greatest comic fight scenes ever where Captain America and Wolverine go toe to toe and it ends as a draw.
I am very dissapointed they killed of Prof X. Much like Spiderman they strayed WAY to much from the comic...IMHO and I hope with whichever they do next (Iron Man, or The Avengers, Wolverine) they do a better job on following a freaking storyline. I do however keep hearing about Fantastic Four 2 and from what I understand it will follow the Silver Surfer/Galaticus angle...THAT I WOULD LOVE!! Silver Surfer is the man and in the long-ago DC/Marvel tie in and fight afterwards, Silver Surfer was easily the most powerful all comic book heroes be it DC or Marvel.
Rob
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X3 was all right, but the other two movies in the series were better.
Ghost Rider looks like its going to be pretty cool... But I'm REALLY hoping for a Captain America movie. 😀
On the DC side, I'd like to see Green Lantern, but only if they don't sissify him like they're doing with Superman in his new movie. *gag*
Ghost Rider looks like its going to be pretty cool... But I'm REALLY hoping for a Captain America movie. 😀
On the DC side, I'd like to see Green Lantern, but only if they don't sissify him like they're doing with Superman in his new movie. *gag*
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Strider said:
The phoenix is not jeans subconscious, it is a space bourne entity that protects the galaxy which resided in her during a shuttle landing. Also the phoenix absorbs stars for nourishment and is known across the galaxy as the protectorate of the m'krann crystal
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horrid movie
juggy is not a mutant
psylocke was never a member of the brotherhood, neither were the morlocks
Marrow was a female, not a male as shown in this
Phoenix is not jeans alter ego
how could shadowcat\kitty pryde go from cameo to cameo to full character? Why not just make jubilee the char
This was just like star wars III, massive death toll, little story\char development
Storm by theory is the strongest mutant on earth since she controls the elements, yet she is treated as the weakest. How is the weakest mutant able to command mother nature to her wishes
The ending was almost identical to van helsing, wolverine shirtless, tattered pants and the love of his life in his arms and him howling\screaming
Kitty and iceman never had a relationship or even close. Gambit\iceman\rouge had a love triangle, kitty was infatuated with wolverine and with collosus
Jean is nowhere near the most powerful mutant on earth, or level 5 as they state.
juggy is not a mutant
psylocke was never a member of the brotherhood, neither were the morlocks
Marrow was a female, not a male as shown in this
Phoenix is not jeans alter ego
how could shadowcat\kitty pryde go from cameo to cameo to full character? Why not just make jubilee the char
This was just like star wars III, massive death toll, little story\char development
Storm by theory is the strongest mutant on earth since she controls the elements, yet she is treated as the weakest. How is the weakest mutant able to command mother nature to her wishes
The ending was almost identical to van helsing, wolverine shirtless, tattered pants and the love of his life in his arms and him howling\screaming
Kitty and iceman never had a relationship or even close. Gambit\iceman\rouge had a love triangle, kitty was infatuated with wolverine and with collosus
Jean is nowhere near the most powerful mutant on earth, or level 5 as they state.
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A lot of people were miffed about killing Cyclops but there was no real choice in that. Wolverine's whole "I'm the only one who can kill her but I love her" angle would be too awkward with Cyclops still around. His betrayal dates all the way back to the first two movies where's he's given crappy lines, little screen time, and no character developement. In the third movie they just discarded him like the trash they made his character into.
Juggernaught being a mutant was unavoidable. The only other option was to just not include him in the movie anyway, which fans would have liked less.
I can understand Rogue losing her powers. Her movie version was weak and useless to the Xmen. (Why was she even one of them in the first place?)
Iceman and Pyro's fight. Dragon! Dragon! Rock the Dragon! Dragon Ball Z!
Callisto, a mutant from the streets the amazing ability to become a plot device whenever necessary.
Has anyone ever seen Mortal Kombat Anniliation? Where they plugged so many characters from the games that the movie had no plot? Yeah.
Juggernaught being a mutant was unavoidable. The only other option was to just not include him in the movie anyway, which fans would have liked less.
I can understand Rogue losing her powers. Her movie version was weak and useless to the Xmen. (Why was she even one of them in the first place?)
Iceman and Pyro's fight. Dragon! Dragon! Rock the Dragon! Dragon Ball Z!
Callisto, a mutant from the streets the amazing ability to become a plot device whenever necessary.
Has anyone ever seen Mortal Kombat Anniliation? Where they plugged so many characters from the games that the movie had no plot? Yeah.
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Fire Sprite said:
How to solve juggernaut? Simple, juggernaut vs collosus.....an epic battle. Hell, is it only cuz the girl playin kitty was better to look at that she got more screen time than collosus?
Im with you asu! Granted people always talk about how "technically" Captain America is one of the weakest superheroes but somehow in the comics he always beat villains more powerful than he...and like I said went toe to toe with Wolverine that ended in a draw. Captian America has been in the works over and over and not the cheesy ones done in the 70s. The guy that owned the rights to Cap finally agreed to let marvel do the movie so right now they really are working on it, Red Skull and all that. It always funny that Captain America with the "Super Soldier Serum" gave him peak human strength, agility and speed but that was it. It was the shield that made him and his ability to use it. I still love my old Captain America comics....I think Ill read a couple later tonight.
Rob
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During the 1980s it turned out Jean was never merged with the Phoenix, but that the Phoenix force had assumed her form while she was in some crystal hibernation chamber underwater or something ridiculous like that. Then Grant Morrisson sort of implied that the Phoenix force was part of her, but much of his run made basically no sense.
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Cosmo_ac said:
this i have to agree with, i mean wasnt juggernaught supposed to be xaviers half brother or summit... (i could be wrong though)
Cosmo_ac said:
...and come to think of it, werent sabertooth and wolverine supposed to be mortal enemies in the comic book? i always though they had a history from wolverines early days...
Cosmo_ac said:
entirely true, however he was willing to let mutants die in view of the 'greater good', rogue in the 1st anyone?
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hey, well I read some of your comments but not all because well, i'm lazy so I don't know what all of you said but I thought I'd put my few cents in.
Okay, biggest bummer for me Cyclopse dying. I didn't like it. No no no! My favorite xmen. I don't like that he died, expecially at the beginning of the movie. They screw him in the 2nd movie by only being in the beginning and the end, and then they kill him off in the beginning of the 3rd movie, that sucked. I mean yeah, I can understand him mourning and going to where Jean was at and stuff, because they have a connection and stuff so yeah, he can feel her, but I don't think he should have died. Gah, expecially not at the beginning, maybe in the final battle at the end... But if you didn't know, Cyclopse is in Superman Returns which is out June 30th I believe.
Prof X dying... yeah that was a bummer too. But he came back in the conscienceness of another person at the end, for the people that watch those specials about x3 and heard about the special ending after the credits and saw that.
Collosus...someone mentioned he didn't have a big enough part. I guess I agree. I think he had a decent size roll, but yeah could have focused more on him...the other 3 kids got alot of time hanging together, could have shown collosus hanging with the crew. And maybe more lines and more fighting time...
Kitty Pryde. Me and my friend agree that the girl that played River on Firefly/Serenity would have done better...and she tried out but didn't get the part. But Kitty looked like she was 12, and didn't really fit with Iceman and yeah, and I think River would have fit in better and done a better job
I realize some people think 2 hours is a long time and that's how long X3 was *i know that's not the name but it's quicker than typing X-Men: The Last Stand* I think they should have maybe added another 30 minutes on it, i would have stayed and watched it. That might have gave them more time to focus on the other mutants. But I like all the mutants. I think they added powers to certain people and changed some stuff but I think it was for dramatic effect, stop being a "purest" and hate it because it didn't completely follow the comic.
I do believe that the Pheonix is really that powerful. I don't like that they made Wolverine the hero though. It seems like he's the main star and it's bugging me. I mean in the first movie he saved Rogue in the end and stuff, and in the second one the main story line was focused around him and the guy that created him and now the third one he killed the Pheonix (which i'm sure could come back)...i heard they were gonna make Wolverine spin off movies so they don't need to make him the main star in these movies too because then there's no point for the spinoff.
I did really enjoy the movie though and I'm sure I could think of other stuff to say but it's long so i'm shutting up, adios.
Okay, biggest bummer for me Cyclopse dying. I didn't like it. No no no! My favorite xmen. I don't like that he died, expecially at the beginning of the movie. They screw him in the 2nd movie by only being in the beginning and the end, and then they kill him off in the beginning of the 3rd movie, that sucked. I mean yeah, I can understand him mourning and going to where Jean was at and stuff, because they have a connection and stuff so yeah, he can feel her, but I don't think he should have died. Gah, expecially not at the beginning, maybe in the final battle at the end... But if you didn't know, Cyclopse is in Superman Returns which is out June 30th I believe.
Prof X dying... yeah that was a bummer too. But he came back in the conscienceness of another person at the end, for the people that watch those specials about x3 and heard about the special ending after the credits and saw that.
Collosus...someone mentioned he didn't have a big enough part. I guess I agree. I think he had a decent size roll, but yeah could have focused more on him...the other 3 kids got alot of time hanging together, could have shown collosus hanging with the crew. And maybe more lines and more fighting time...
Kitty Pryde. Me and my friend agree that the girl that played River on Firefly/Serenity would have done better...and she tried out but didn't get the part. But Kitty looked like she was 12, and didn't really fit with Iceman and yeah, and I think River would have fit in better and done a better job
I realize some people think 2 hours is a long time and that's how long X3 was *i know that's not the name but it's quicker than typing X-Men: The Last Stand* I think they should have maybe added another 30 minutes on it, i would have stayed and watched it. That might have gave them more time to focus on the other mutants. But I like all the mutants. I think they added powers to certain people and changed some stuff but I think it was for dramatic effect, stop being a "purest" and hate it because it didn't completely follow the comic.
I do believe that the Pheonix is really that powerful. I don't like that they made Wolverine the hero though. It seems like he's the main star and it's bugging me. I mean in the first movie he saved Rogue in the end and stuff, and in the second one the main story line was focused around him and the guy that created him and now the third one he killed the Pheonix (which i'm sure could come back)...i heard they were gonna make Wolverine spin off movies so they don't need to make him the main star in these movies too because then there's no point for the spinoff.
I did really enjoy the movie though and I'm sure I could think of other stuff to say but it's long so i'm shutting up, adios.
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robace252 said:
Actually im waiting in anticipation for the new iron man movie. I simply hope they make it as dark as they made punisher. I mean, tony stark being a depressive alcoholic playboy was what gave his character so much feeling
