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[TicklingDuo]

Del, please read this reply...

because you obviously haven't read and understood the others.

Not all tickling is sexual in nature.

Not all tickling is done in the nude.

NONE is righteous except the Lord, our God.

To sit in judgement of others is itself a sin of presumption (that we have any right to do so)...just as going about your way and assuming final forgiveness without repentance is a sin of presumption.

I would personally agree that tickling that takes on a more sexual nature and includes sexual contact may leave reason for concern. I too believe that this type of play belongs within the bounds of marriage. However, not all tickling is like that. And, I have no reason to judge those around me if they do it. All I can do is show love and be faithful in my own actions to what I believe.

Though we are called to fraternal correction and to call one another to conversion, I don't believe that the approach you are using is a valid one. It very much smacks of pharisaicle attitude. That is just as ungodly as any other sin.

Beating folks over the head is not Christ-like. Christ called people to Himself without pulling punches on the truth. We should follow Him and do the same. However, it should be done in love and humility.

When Mary Magdalene was brought before the Lord for the sin of adultery, He didn't call her a sick pervert. He protected her from those who would have stoned her and forgave her. THAT is what led to her conversion....love and mercy, not condemnation.

Please pray about this. Search your heart. Ask yourself if it isn't yourself that you are condemning by stating things the way you are. Then, give yourself the gift of forgiveness. I guarantee that you'll be more at peace and a better witness for Christ if you do. I know. I've been there.

Ann

 

[BigJim]

Ah. Hm...

Maybe most of you don't recall the person that started this forum. Psycho4048.

He "found" faith, and renounced tickling, long ago. Sad, too.

I remember Scott quite well. A more classical example of pointless, self-induced guilt you could'nt find. I think the reason people of faith assosciate tickling with sin, is because of the sexual aspect. Dealing with the tickling on a "not all tickling is sexual" standpoint won't work, because the two are so strongly connected in the minds of forum members. This sort of thing won't go away until people see through the religious scam for what it is, and totally reject it for some real spirituality.

 

[TicklingDuo]

This sort of thing won't go away until people see through the religious scam for what it is, and totally reject it for some real spirituality.

Keep in mind, Jimbo, that not all religion is scam. There are individuals who choose to bastardize it and manipulate it to meet their desires...a majority anymore. But, the root of any true religion is strong and pure and IS true spirituality. I reject the bastardized version. But, I hold the roots close to my heart.

Ann

 

[BigJim]

Keep in mind, Jimbo, that not all religion is scam. There are individuals who choose to bastardize it and manipulate it to meet their desires...a majority anymore. But, the root of any true religion is strong and pure and IS true spirituality. I reject the bastardized version. But, I hold the roots close to my heart.

Ann

First off, I'd like to emphasise that I would'nt actually want to offend anyone who, like Ann, is a person of "conventional" faith.

But secondly, I would like emphasise that I very definatley meant that all major and most secondary religions ARE a scam from front to back! Ann I don't know if you've read any of my threads about the origins of various religions, but there is a huge amount of evidence (that I'm sure would be classified as circumstantial in some circles) that Islam, Christianity, Judaism and even those that are supposedly more enlightened like Bhuddism and Hinduism are 90% pure invention and 10% twisted symbolism. The New Testament was largely written by members of the Piso family's antescedants who were serving in the Levi priesthood in Sumer and Babylon et al, and not even the RC church claims that they gospels were actually written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; despite carrying the names of those worthies. (Who in my opinion, either didn't exist, or were loosely based on a number of people.) In Sumer or Babylon (I forget which) there was a story about a bloke called Sargon who was found floating on he river in a reed basket, discovered by a princess and adopted by the royal familly. Sound a teensy bit familiar? And this is isn't a load of cases of prophecy about the coming of the One True Lord, as Omega tried to tell me once. It's a classic case of new frock, same con. The same con that has been played on countless billions throughout man's existence on this planet. These were'nt predictions of events to come. They were hierarchial religions that were supposedly based on events long past.

Christianity is nothing but recycled paganism, with different names in place. There are countless deities and demi-deities who have occupied the place of Christ in various cultures of the ancient world. Millenia before Jesus is alleged to have been born, there were countless figures who had been born of a virgin, born three days after the winter solstice (which might explain why Bible accounts make a winter birth sound unlikely), had a father for a carpenter, had an immaculatley conceptionalised virgin for a mother etc. The list of these figures goes on and on. Tammuz, Mithra, Dionysus, Bacchus, Horus........ I could make a bigger list that includes the regions of the world where these blokes were worshipped, but there's one in the Illuminate thread. There's also my reasons for thinking that every religion is pure invention designed to imprison billions of people and rob them of their true spiritualiy through guilt, self-deprevation and the hideous abuse and degredation of women and people's with less power. If you read nothing else Ann, then read the post with the copied and pasted thread from another foum on the web.

The URL of the TMF thread is http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18411 . There's enough stuff there (if you've read it already, scroll down to find the bit about religion's origins) to make anyone but the most dogmatic defender of dogma question the crap they've been peddled in the name of spirituality.

 

[dvnc]

The pagan recycling argument. Always a good one to rile Christians. Folks get so bunched up on either side of this argument that the point is missed.

If you've faith, who cares WHAT folks think of your faith. Higher powers don't need champions. They need faithful.

If you've no faith, then arguing with the faithful is insulting their beliefs, regardless of any innocence in this. You're insulting Christians, Jim. Do I agree with the theory that Christianity grew to absorb the holidays of previous "heathen" faith? Yep. Does it MATTER? No.

A true believer of Christianity, one of the faithful, will not judge me, nor will they harm me while I harm no others. They don't sweat me, 'cause there's a few more of them than me. Besides, Christianity and I believe in something similar. Love. It's all about the love, man.

That, too, ain't arguable. You understand it, or you don't. Arguin' me on it is a waste, 'cause I not only believe it, I take COMFORT in believin' in love. I'll naturally fight someone takin' from me that which gives me comfort.

Christians will do likewise, 'cause you're statin' such in ways that will take from them that which comforts 'em.

If they're not "right", who cares? True Christians will not harm those around them, nor will they fight that which can be weathered. That's one powerful "other cheek".

Now, Buddhism is similar. It's like arguin' the seasons, tryin' to "turn" a Buddhist. Taoists, too, weather such peacefully, and indeed both will sympathize with a man who'll fight the indominable.

Ya don't dig organized religion, Jim. Message told, and can be simplified by stating such, and linking any of the well-argued threads already documenting such. Y'clearly dig such, 'cause I'm seein' ya do so, AFTER the "fightin' words" thrown.

Won't rile Ann. Won't rile any of the true believers of any faith. Might get ya a debatin' partner, though. At a certain point, there's somethin' t'be said for peaceful resolution, and respectin' the beliefs of our community, diverse as they are.

Peace,

dvnc

 

[TicklingDuo]

Jim, I have read most of your comments on religion. I simply don't agree with them. But, that's cool. We don't have to agree. You must follow and live what you believe, just as I do. No problem there. And we're both so set in our respective opinions (and so equally hard-headed 😛) that I won't try to debate it. We've been there and done that in other threads.

I am very confident in my faith. It's my life. I've spent plenty of time exploring to find what I truly believe. I don't feel a need to defend it or even preach it...merely to live it. However, I would add to Dave's cautions as to the way you express those opinions at times. To say that believing something is stupid is to call me stupid. That, as Dave said, is insulting to many. It doesn't get me going, because I know where it's coming from and am firm enough in my faith to not take it personally. We're cool, my friend.

Ann

 

[del]

THE TICKLE CHAMBER

I am very confident in my faith. It's my life. I've spent plenty of time exploring to find what I truly believe. I don't feel a need to defend it or even preach it...merely to live it.
Ann

Would Jesus Christ enter the Tickle Chamber?

 

[ShiningIce]

Would Jesus Christ enter the Tickle Chamber?

*Reaches through the net and strangles you mercilessly* Here you can ask him yourself when you see him.

 

[Texas_Tickle]

Re: THE TICKLE CHAMBER

Would Jesus Christ enter the Tickle Chamber?

You see, Del? It's that kind of "self-righteous" and "holier-than-holy" attitude that people (even Christians) cannot stand

If you think you are some "sinless saint" then you are greatly misled.

 

[AffectionateDan]

LMFAO

*Reaches through the net and strangles you mercilessly* Here you can ask him yourself when you see him.

Hee! Thanks, I needed that! I used to be amused, now I'm just disgusted.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Re: THE TICKLE CHAMBER

Would Jesus Christ enter the Tickle Chamber?

If Jesus is God... and GOD is everywhere, then GOD is already there.

Is that like a geometric proof?


No but really.....
The special thing about Jesus was he did things and went places that the religious did NOT want to go, didn't dare go because it wasn't righteous. My goodness, he even hung out with Tax Collectors. There's no telling who he broke bread with. He picked grain on the sabbath because he was hungry. He even let a prositute rub her perfume and hair all over his naked (gasp) feet! He was such a rebel.

Would Jesus go where sinners were with a message of love and compassion to gently lead them to him? Yes.

If you are going to come in the name of Jesus... You need to start acting more like him. Otherwise come in YOUR own name proclaiming YOUR OWN righteousness (Oops... You are claiming your own righteousness! Some scripture about a filty rag comes to mind!)

Love Always,
Sunrise

 

[AffectionateDan]

Re: Re: THE TICKLE CHAMBER

If Jesus is God... and GOD is everywhere, then GOD is already there.

Is that like a geometric proof?


No but really.....
The special thing about Jesus was he did things and went places that the religious did NOT want to go, didn't dare go because it wasn't righteous. My goodness, he even hung out with Tax Collectors. There's no telling who he broke bread with. He picked grain on the sabbath because he was hungry. He even let a prositute rub her perfume and hair all over his naked (gasp) feet! He was such a rebel.

Would Jesus go where sinners were with a message of love and compassion to gently lead them to him? Yes.

If you are going to come in the name of Jesus... You need to start acting more like him. Otherwise come in YOUR own name proclaiming YOUR OWN righteousness (Oops... You are claiming your own righteousness! Some scripture about a filty rag comes to mind!)

Love Always,
Sunrise

I'm always highly amused when the holier than thou types are cut off at the ankles by those who know exactly what to say and what scriptures to refer to. It's a beautiful thing, LoL!😀 Give it a rest, Del. Nobody's interested in whatever you're going through. All you're succeeding in doing is alienating yourself. Rather than trying to make others feel bad about themselves as you obviously do, I'd suggest a little introspection instead. Either you're part of the Community, or you're not. Ya prolly oughta choose now, before it gets ugly. (but somehow, I just don't see you unclamping your jaws and letting this go.... we'll see)

 

[Ayla ny]

would Jesus write this? http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=25073

I am having a hard time sympathizing with this ‘cause’ of yours when you have proven yourself a hypocrite.

I enjoyed your old style of posting much more.

 

[TicklingDuo]

Re: THE TICKLE CHAMBER

Would Jesus Christ enter the Tickle Chamber?

Jesus entered many places where things were oposed by the religiosity of the time. I'm sure it would be no different today. He would enter the Chamber, if only for one thing...He, too would call me to repent of some of what's there. Are there stories and links there that cross the line? Yes. There are. That's something I need to repent of. Thank-you for the return of fraternal correction. It is accepted...whether done in love or not, because truth is truth.

Unfortunately, since that server is pretty useless anymore, they remain because I can't get in to either eliminate or edit the site. I invite you to join me in the spirit of repentance and let go of the anger and self-righteousness that is coming across (intended or not) in your posts.

As for those who jumped to my defense, thanks. Though what was said was a bit harsh, the truth often is. As everyone else, our righteousness is as filthy rags as seen i the presence of God. May He be praised for showing more mercy than we'll ever think of showing! (and that includes me)

Peace!
Ann

 

[del]

The Tickle Chamber is great !

Personally, I think The Tickle Chamber is a really cool place.
Some people obviously have guilt about entering there 🙂

 

[ShiningIce]

Personally, I think The Tickle Chamber is a really cool place.

Are you by chance bi-polar ?

 

[del]

Are you by chance bi-polar ?

Do you think the Devil is bi-polar? 🙂

 

[TicklingDuo]

ROFL! No. The devil isn't bi-polar. He and his cohorts simply like tossing things into people's faces and not letting go of them. He is the opposite of Christ, who forgives us and forgets the matter as soon as we repent.

You're a strange one, Del. I may have to meet you one day...if only to give you a good smack! lol 😉

Peace!
Ann

 

[BigJim]

If you've no faith, then arguing with the faithful is insulting their beliefs, regardless of any innocence in this. You're insulting Christians, Jim. Do I agree with the theory that Christianity grew to absorb the holidays of previous "heathen" faith? Yep. Does it MATTER? No.

I do have a faith though. I have a conception of God, an afterlife and spirit, just as most Christians do. And while I would agree that I can get very animated when discussing this, I would'nt say that I was insulting anyone of any particular faith. The only people I actually desire to insult are those who spend their time trying to take away people's spirituality. I'd be pretty stupid to intentionally set out to insult everyone who subscribes to any particular religion, because that would put me in a minority of billions to one. It may seem like I have no "faith", because you can't put an "ism" or an "ianity" on the end of my belief system, but I think that just makes it more open. when you give a name to your beliefs, I think it limits you in what you can conceive.

[BA true believer of Christianity, one of the faithful, will not judge me, nor will they harm me while I harm no others. They don't sweat me, 'cause there's a few more of them than me. Besides, Christianity and I believe in something similar. Love. It's all about the love, man.

That, too, ain't arguable. You understand it, or you don't. Arguin' me on it is a waste, 'cause I not only believe it, I take COMFORT in believin' in love. B]

That makes a lot of sense to me personally Dave, as it also follows what I believe. I am aware though, that I can come across like Billy Graham on steroids. Kind of ironic really. I guess that someone can't fight fire with fire in this case.

I'll naturally fight someone takin' from me that which gives me comfort.Christians will do likewise, 'cause you're statin' such in ways that will take from them that which comforts 'em.

I have a serious question. Does what you've just said mean that it's not so much my POV, as my overbearing-ness (no, that isn't a real word, but I could'nt think of a suitable alternative) that's grating? I could dig that, because I've always been an overpowering bugger, especially when the conversation is about something I feel passionate about.

Ya don't dig organized religion, Jim. Message told, and can be simplified by stating such, and linking any of the well-argued threads already documenting such. Y'clearly dig such, 'cause I'm seein' ya do so, AFTER the "fightin' words" thrown.

That reminds me, I'd like to mention something that I think I forgot to before. I would very much like a chnce to debate with anyone my beliefs. It's perfectly true that so far, all we've discussed in these various threads is the established religions. As far as I can see, anyone who wants to debate anything about something unconventional with me, is very welcome. I would'nt want anyone to think that I was only capable of destruction and tearing things to pieces.

Might get ya a debatin' partner, though. At a certain point, there's somethin' t'be said for peaceful resolution, and respectin' the beliefs of our community, diverse as they are.

Point taken, I'll try to live to that one. As far as I'm concerned it's now just about information and people can do what they will with it.

 

[BigJim]

I am very confident in my faith. It's my life. I've spent plenty of time exploring to find what I truly believe. I don't feel a need to defend it or even preach it...merely to live it. However, I would add to Dave's cautions as to the way you express those opinions at times. To say that believing something is stupid is to call me stupid. That, as Dave said, is insulting to many. It doesn't get me going, because I know where it's coming from and am firm enough in my faith to not take it personally. We're cool, my friend.

Ann

I'm sorry if I infered that I thought you were stupid Ann. I honestly didn't intend to. Even if it was stupid, you're in a majority of billions to a few, so I have no ground base to "preach" from anyway. Despite being someone who rejects conventional religion, I can be startlingly like Billy Graham sometimes. Oddly enough I used to be a Christian myself, as I said to Omega. I would'nt class myself as anything now, because I'd find any description to be too limiting. I'm always learning new things and adapting my views. I doubt I'll be exactly this way for the rest of my life. When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter what anyone believes so long as they don't negativley affect other people in the physical world. Given what you said above, I'd guess you don't.

 

[TicklingDuo]

Despite being someone who rejects conventional religion, I can be startlingly like Billy Graham sometimes.

I thought that was Billy on steroids?! Maybe that's what makes the shirt rip and the skin turn green?

As for taking offense at your statements, I didn't. I think I know you well enough to know that it wasn't what your intent was. I was simply pointing out the fact that it did come across that way at times so that problems with others (who might get offended) could be avoided. As I said, we're cool.

We actually aren't that far apart in what I've seen of your belief system. We simply express it differently. Much of what we DO believe is the same. Mine happens to include aspects of the Catholic faith. Yours doesn't. Not a biggie. As I've stated before, it's not so much the particulars of what we believe (as important as that is) as it is the living of it.

When Ghandi was asked by a reporter once why he didn't become a Christian (since his actions seemed so "Christian", his answer was that he'd known too many of us. Sadly, I can fully understand that. We don't walk the talk. And then, we wonder why others can't stand us! 😉

Ann

 

[BigJim]

When Ghandi was asked by a reporter once why he didn't become a Christian (since his actions seemed so "Christian", his answer was that he'd known too many of us. Sadly, I can fully understand that. We don't walk the talk. And then, we wonder why others can't stand us! 😉

Ann

Hmmm, it's a trap that's easy to fall into.

I guess that our "living spirituality" isn't that different from each other; as you say. I'd doubt if we'd treat someone very much differently in the same set of circumstances. I think my exuberance comes from a longing to get into a real technical debate about religion. So far the only one who's come closest to it, is Omega.


What would really put me over the moon would be a discussion with someone who wanted to pull holes in my theories. I would genuinely like to see how well they stood up in a debate.

 

[del]

ROFL! No. The devil isn't bi-polar.
Ann

Hmmm. . . are you really sure about that?

ROFL!
You're a strange one, Del. I may have to meet you one day...if only to give you a good smack! lol 😉
Ann

Ou! I look forward to it 🙂
Always remember the strange ones are more fun 😀

 

[TicklingDuo]

Ou! I look forward to it 🙂
Always remember the strange ones are more fun 😀

LOL Oh really? You look forward to getting smacked and think that would be fun? Hmmm....you ARE a strange one. Or are you perhaps refering to being fun to play with? If so, sorry....we aren't married. I can't tickle with you. That would be wrong! 😛

Ann

 

[TicklingDuo]

I think my exuberance comes from a longing to get into a real technical debate about religion. What would really put me over the moon would be a discussion with someone who wanted to pull holes in my theories. I would genuinely like to see how well they stood up in a debate.

I hear ya, Jim. While I'm versed in many issues, I don't think I'd be ready for a real in depth debate. I DO have a friend who LOVES to debate with people. He gets just as hot and bothered about things as you do, only from the flip side. He could convince a stone that it was water! lol Seriously, he's very intelligent and VERY exhuberant about his faith. I have yet to meet a person who can go toe to toe with him for very long. Unfortunately, he tends to get nasty at times. So, it often destroys anything he accomplishes on an intellectual level. Sad.

Ann