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Police shoots 22 yo in the back while he was laying face down on the ground.

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Artoo said:
Indeed, they do a tough and demanding job, no one is saying otherwise. But it doesn't mean that mistakes are never made.
Also, panicking doesn't necessarily mean you freeze; you can also act irrationally, as this guy seems to have done.
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watch it again he didnt panic .. he knew what he was doing .. and made the right choice in doing so
 
punkrockergirl said:
watch it again he didnt panic .. he knew what he was doing .. and made the right choice in doing so
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No. He handled it wrong. He never needed to shoot the man. He should've cuffed him and then dealt with any potential issues.

You said yourself that this wouldn't have happened if he was cuffed.
 
it wouldnt have but he did the right thing in shooting.. when the cop says dont move.. dont plain and simple.. well im going to sleep so im done arguing my side for tonight but if you guys want to pick this up tommorow ill be back.. the easiest solution here is dont commit the crime and you wouldnt have gotten shot
 
punkrockergirl said:
it wouldnt have but he did the right thing in shooting.. when the cop says dont move.. dont plain and simple.. well im going to sleep so im done arguing my side for tonight but if you guys want to pick this up tommorow ill be back.. the easiest solution here is dont commit the crime and you wouldnt have gotten shot
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So in your opinion, if you commit a crime, any crime, you deserve to be killed?
No, that's not your opinion. The punishment should be befitting of the crime, and you know it.
 
Artoo said:
So in your opinion, if you commit a crime, any crime, you deserve to be killed?
No, that's not your opinion. The punishment should be befitting of the crime, and you know it.
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dont tell me what my opinion is.. and if the kid hadnt commited the crime he wouldnt have been on the ground to be shot.. and if he hadnt moved he wouldnt have gotten shot .. completly and utterly his fault, the cop did his job
 
punkrockergirl said:
dont tell me what my opinion is.. and if the kid hadnt commited the crime he wouldnt have been on the ground to be shot.. and if he hadnt moved he wouldnt have gotten shot .. completly and utterly his fault, the cop did his job
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I thought you were going to bed? 😛
 
punkrockergirl said:
was got caught up pming people and saw you replyed :dogpile:
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Fair enough 😉

Well, I think I'm done here; there's not a huge amount more I can say without repeating myself - and I'm pretty sure I repeated my point more than twice.

Have a good night 🙂
 
punkrockergirl said:
dont tell me what my opinion is.. and if the kid hadnt commited the crime he wouldnt have been on the ground to be shot.. and if he hadnt moved he wouldnt have gotten shot .. completly and utterly his fault, the cop did his job
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The kid was fighting. That hardly warrants him being "on the ground to be shot".
 
CrystalLight said:
lawl. Not really. If he wasn't fighting he wouldn't have been contained. Which he wasn't even. He was shot.
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and if he wasnt fighting the cops wouldnt have been there and he wouldnt have been on the ground and he wouldnt have gotten shot.. ive said enough my opinion is much more relevant to this topic than someone who doesnt know the first thing about law enforcement... or even graduated highschool.. so i take your opinion with a grain of salt
 
punkrockergirl said:
than someone who doesnt know the first thing about law enforcement... or even graduated highschool.. so i take your opinion with a grain of salt
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Anyone can watch Cops and say the same thing. I highly doubt that you're being trained to shoot anything that moves. Or being trained at all. And I'm glad that I don't have Cops on my street who are trigger happy as what you're supporting.

And last that I knew, Crime Scene Investigators (unlike the TV show) do not exactly need to worry about being shot as much as police officers do. 🙂
 
I think we may be straying a wee bit off topic and into the personal attacks ladies. We are mostly civilized people on here 🙂
 
CrystalLight said:
Anyone can watch Cops and say the same thing. I highly doubt that you're being trained to shoot anything that moves. Or being trained at all. And I'm glad that I don't have Cops on my street who are trigger happy as what you're supporting.

And last that I knew, Crime Scene Investigators (unlike the TV show) do not exactly need to worry about being shot as much as police officers do. 🙂
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yeah well ive been shot and i wont slip again so i support the cop because after being shot i fought for my life.. and i wouldnt wish that upon anyone.. especially when it comes down to a cop over a perp
 
punkrockergirl said:
ive said enough my opinion is much more relevant to this topic than someone who doesnt know the first thing about law enforcement... or even graduated highschool.. so i take your opinion with a grain of salt
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Considering you've ignored the points I made about law enforcement, and that there were mistakes made during the arrest, you'll not mind if I take your opinion with a grain of salt - regardless of your vast knowledge on the subject.

I didn't realise graduating high school was a prerequisite for being able to realise the bleeding obvious.
 
punkrockergirl said:
and if he wasnt fighting the cops wouldnt have been there and he wouldnt have been on the ground and he wouldnt have gotten shot.. ive said enough my opinion is much more relevant to this topic than someone who doesnt know the first thing about law enforcement... or even graduated highschool.. so i take your opinion with a grain of salt
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Wow, a personal attack to defend the fact you said in your first post that you would have done the same thing? lol The fact you graduated an academy and have so much training and "knowledge" that its leaking out your ears, and you are not only BLINDLY defending the cop without one iota of information from people at the scene as to whether the cop thought he was reaching for his tazer or accidentally discharged his firearm (it did take him 3 seconds to get it out of his holster) or whether he really just meant to do it, but saying you would have done the same thing, scares the fuck out of me....I will also take your opinion with the same grain of salt you dismissively throw at others.

What is the consensus of people in your department over what they "see" on the tape, because most of the departments around here were shocked. First thing a lot of the people on the force said was "holy shit, he just murdered that kid" and "wow, did it discharge accidentally or did he do that on purpose?". Don't worry about getting on the defensive with me, because like you, I said my part and I'm done.
 
punkrockergirl said:
yeah well ive been shot and i wont slip again so i support the cop because after being shot i fought for my life.. and i wouldnt wish that upon anyone.. especially when it comes down to a cop over a perp
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First of all, I wouldn't dare insult you and say I know how you feel. I detest guns and hate what they can do in the hands of the wrong people. I will say I'm glad you recovered from your ordeal, at least physically.

Now I'm about to say something I NEVER thought I'd tell someone on this forum but feel it needs discussing:

You have related to the officer in question in an illogical and overemotional way. You have allowed your experiences to cloud your judgement and can in no way see past the blatantly obvious fact that this officer did not use appropriate procedure and may have killed someone unnecessarily. It must be difficult to deal with this situation because of your personal experience, but in the end, he's going to be judged by departmental procedure and possibly a jury of his peers.

You said that the perp shouldn't have been fighting in the first place; I'll go as far to say that you're right. But without crime there would be no need for police and in society, that's just not going to happen. The perp is the layperson-they do not have academy training and hours of classroom instruction at their disposal, but the police officer does.

If I could use another scenario to further show the lack of logic here (lack of logic-ha, I wish my favorites at P & R could see me now!-But I digress). If a doctor commits malpractice, who's at fault? Is it the fault of the patient who shouldn't have gotten sick in the first place? Or is it the responsibility of the trained professional to work in the parameters of his/her training?
 
My biggest problem is not with the police in genera; most of them are great people to be around. However, I have problems with the way the system is setup to investigate complaint against police officers.

In my area, you have to go to the station in your community which the officer you complaining about is assigned. Ask the officer at the front desk for a form. At that time every officer in the station suddenly starts to look at you like you have just slap their mother. Once you fill out the file you pray that officer would file it in accordance to policy.

I know they have Internal Affairs which investigates complaints against officers. However, when they file their finding it goes to the District Attorney Office; the same office that is responsible for working with the police to put law breakers in jail. You cannot get me to believe the prostitution office will not give special consideration to police officers.

If anything does goes to trail, the prostitution office would allow the defense attorney to request a change of venue; and have the case held in a location where the community favors the police officers.

This is not Justice, it justice a perversion of what Justice should be. Officers should be held to a higher standard than anyone else. They have the power to ends a person life and hide behind their badge afterward.

There should be a special prosecution department which deals exclusively with prosecuting officers of the law. They should never be allowed a change of venue; they should be trialed in the courts where they are accused of committing the crime.

If you want the community to start trusting the police again, the police should be trialed and judged by the same community they are expected to protect.
 
Hm im surprised no one made the claim that he got shot because he was black thats generally what happens in cases like this because as we know all cops are racist :rollseyes:
 
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