Police shoots 22 yo in the back while he was laying face down on the ground.

[Knot Amewzed]

Hm im surprised no one made the claim that he got shot because he was black thats generally what happens in cases like this because as we know all cops are racist :rollseyes:

Nah, I think he got shot because he farted in the cops face.

 

[badreligion]

i agree with Knot that being a corrections officer is one of the most dangerous jobs

 

[Mister Scruff]

as ive said already here with myself being in a law enforcement job if i had a room full of suspects even if there were other officers around.. if somebody jumped up like that i would have shot as well he could have been grabbing for a gun or anything you have no idea what these people are capable of..

That's a fair point on the face of it, but from what I can gather the suspects had been checked and none of them were armed. If they hadn't been shaken before being seated against the wall that is your first procedural failure on the part of the officers. The second is not handcuffing suspects who are most likely intoxicated and most definitely a bit lary (it was the early hours of New Year's Day). The officers were attending a report of a disturbance in a crowded area and obviously had reason to believe these men were central to it - why no handcuffs, then? These, though, are pretty much moot points in the grand scheme of things. A self-defence instructor and former police officer is actually saying it wasn't a lethal force situation, and I don't know of anyone with any knowledge of close contact situations who'd argue with that given the footage I've seen. I think you can also infer from the way your man's holding the weapon before firing it, and the shock in his reaction to the sound of the shot, that he thought it was his Taser as opposed to his side-arm he was firing. It's not a case of "you don't know what these people are capable of"; you DON'T, and the first rule of any confrontational situation is if you can't control it completely and immediately then you take NO chances until such time as you can, but none of the officers seemed alarmed, none of them looked as though they were in danger of losing their temper let alone control of their suspects, so I think it's safe to say the bloke fucked up whilst trying to restrain an unruly suspect rather than going into survival mode after losing control of the situation.

It's not murder. At worst it's manslaghter, and whatever the US equivalent of gross negligence is. As a police officer you would need to be way, WAY beyond stupid to actually haul off and shoot someone in this manner in front of a tube-train full of people, all of whom are quite obviously videoing the incident. Trying to attribute this to malice is wrong. He didn't mean to do it. It was quite obviously a mistake. Problem is he did, and a man died because of it.

 

[kis123]

Hm im surprised no one made the claim that he got shot because he was black thats generally what happens in cases like this because as we know all cops are racist :rollseyes:

Well, now that you've mentioned it......

I wonder just how quick he would've shot a white suspect lying down on the floor with officers over him? But it really doesn't matter because he's just as dead isn't he?

BTW, what industry coined the phrase and procedure of racial profiling? Yeah.....right.......

And all of us who are black don't jump on a pack bandwagon just because the perpetrator is black. There you go thinking for us again when we can think independently for ourselves.

Comments like this is one of the main reasons why racism will never die in this country.

 

[the wiz]

Hm im surprised no one made the claim that he got shot because he was black thats generally what happens in cases like this because as we know all cops are racist :rollseyes:

I was going to post how glad I was that no one used race. It wasn't about race, it's about class, and how lower income people are viewed and treated in todays society

 

[the wiz]

Trust me, it is more dangerous being a corrections officer.

My sisters-in-laws are corrections officers, brave ass ladies.

 

[kis123]

I was going to post how glad I was that no one used race. It wasn't about race, it's about class, and how lower income people are viewed and treated in todays society

Well, you know wiz, it's always about race isn't it? If you or me don't bring it up in the name of having an unbiased intelligent discussion, someone has to don't they?

Well I'm headed back to my pack mentality brainwashing class--there's room for one more if you're interested...........

 

[badreligion]

Never said it was racially motivated all im saying is in most cases like this people like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson would be up in arms. You say racisim will never die theres two people who keep it alive

 

[Mister Scruff]

I wonder just how quick he would've shot a white suspect lying down on the floor with officers over him? But it really doesn't matter because he's just as dead isn't he?

You're right, a white man would be just as dead as this black man if the officer had shot him instead of Tasering him.

BTW, what industry coined the phrase and procedure of racial profiling? Yeah.....right.......

Oh dear god; is that actually a real-life thing in America? Police forces actually SUBSCRIBE to that shit? I thought racial profiling was something Hollywood invented...

And all of us who are black don't jump on a pack bandwagon just because the perpetrator is black. There you go thinking for us again when we can think independently for ourselves.

Whilst it's got to be acknowledged that there is racism present in the police forces of the world I don't think this shooting was necessarily a manifestation of it.

Comments like this is one of the main reasons why racism will never die in this country.

Also people on both sides of the grey line like the Reverend (lol?) Jesse Jackson and the KKK bedsheet-wearing buffoons, who have a vested interest in keeping racism alive because it's what pays their bills. Idiotic comments like Bernard Hopkins' boast that he'd never lose to a "white boy" don't help either, but he got beaten by a white boy in the end so I suppose that makes it alright.

Yeah, ignorance is shit no matter who's doling it out.

 

[the wiz]

Well, you know wiz, it's always about race isn't it? If you or me don't bring it up in the name of having an unbiased intelligent discussion, someone has to don't they?

Well I'm headed back to my pack mentality brainwashing class--there's room for one more if you're interested...........

I agree that the majority of the people reported by the media is of African-American decent. However, there are cases where it didn't' make the national news.

There was a case here where 2 19 yo white teens was shot by a white cop. The cop followed them around the neighborhood, he finally decided to pull them over. There was 4 teens in the truck which was a stick shift; the driver pulled into a drive way with a slight incline.

The officer got out his car with is gun already drawn; when the driver turned off the truck and release the brake the truck started to roll backward; which is what happen you park a truck with a stick on a hill. the cop immediately started shooting killing the two boys in the front and missing the 2 girls in the back.

it was caught on the policemen video camera; after about 4 months of investigation they finally arrested the officer and charged him with manslaughter.

 

[kis123]

Never said it was racially motivated all im saying is in most cases like this people like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson would be up in arms. You say racisim will never die theres two people who keep it alive

But they didn't bring it up on this thread, you did.

Another reason why racism won't die in this country.

Let's just keep race out of this one for a change; that little girl doesn't have a father anymore and a man died senselessly at the hands of police. Those are the things that are most important.

 

[maniactickler]

I would have preferred he used his billy club to beat him senseless. then if that didnt work, shoot him as a last resort.

 

[Homer28]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I-HinpAzwY

^Good police work



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^Bad police work

 

[badreligion]

But they didn't bring it up on this thread, you did.

Another reason why racism won't die in this country.

Let's just keep race out of this one for a change; that little girl doesn't have a father anymore and a man died senselessly at the hands of police. Those are the things that are most important.

only problem is im not in the public eye they are they reach more people then i do on the site .

And yes its horrible that the little girl doesnt have a father but he should have thought about that before he acted like an idiot

 

[Oddjob0226]

Why did the guy go up and walk into the situation in the first place? Moron.

AFTER the guy gets shot now they want to get on the train? Yeah how about geting on the train and minding your own business in the first place instead.

I can't tell from the video whether it was justified or not. It looks like the police may have overreacted. The cop may have been wrong.

But the guy walking up to them, getting involved with the situation... all those people just hanging out like that when something was obviously going on (and then they all run away after pushing things too far - ha!) - don't make a situation worse and then become the 'victim' in doing so.

You go looking for trouble sometimes you find it. Motherfucka.

 

[Mister Scruff]

Why did the guy go up and walk into the situation in the first place? Moron.

AFTER the guy gets shot now they want to get on the train? Yeah how about geting on the train and minding your own business in the first place instead.

I can't tell from the video whether it was justified or not. It looks like the police may have overreacted. The cop may have been wrong.

But they guy walking up to them, getting involved with the situation... all those people just hanging out like that when something was obviously going on (and then they all run away after pushing things too far - ha!) - don't make a situation worse and then become the 'victim' in doing so.

You go looking for trouble sometimes you find it. Motherfucka.

Oh lol

 

[Oddjob0226]

And everyone needs to pull their pants up. It's not 1998 anymore.

 

[Mister Scruff]

Should we also GET A HAIRCUT and REAL JOBS? :-s

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

First of all, I wouldn't dare insult you and say I know how you feel. I detest guns and hate what they can do in the hands of the wrong people. I will say I'm glad you recovered from your ordeal, at least physically.

Now I'm about to say something I NEVER thought I'd tell someone on this forum but feel it needs discussing:

You have related to the officer in question in an illogical and overemotional way. You have allowed your experiences to cloud your judgement and can in no way see past the blatantly obvious fact that this officer did not use appropriate procedure and may have killed someone unnecessarily. It must be difficult to deal with this situation because of your personal experience, but in the end, he's going to be judged by departmental procedure and possibly a jury of his peers.

You said that the perp shouldn't have been fighting in the first place; I'll go as far to say that you're right. But without crime there would be no need for police and in society, that's just not going to happen. The perp is the layperson-they do not have academy training and hours of classroom instruction at their disposal, but the police officer does.

If I could use another scenario to further show the lack of logic here (lack of logic-ha, I wish my favorites at P & R could see me now!-But I digress). If a doctor commits malpractice, who's at fault? Is it the fault of the patient who shouldn't have gotten sick in the first place? Or is it the responsibility of the trained professional to work in the parameters of his/her training?

she has stated she has a degree in psychology and you are trying to analyze her...are you kiddin me?

 

[CrystalLight]

Should we also GET A HAIRCUT and REAL JOBS? :-s

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[Artoo]

she has stated she has a degree in psychology and you are trying to analyze her...are you kiddin me?

Just because someone has a degree in psychology, it doesn't make their points or opinions exempt from scrutiny.

 

[punkrockergirl]

Just because someone has a degree in psychology, it doesn't make their points or opinions exempt from scrutiny.

agreed my opinion isnt exempt at all from scruitiny and im sure that my opinion on this does stem from being shot myself but my opinion isnt going to change on this and as i said to some of you.. you dont have to think my opinion is worth anything

 

[Mister Scruff]

agreed my opinion isnt exempt at all from scruitiny and im sure that my opinion on this does stem from being shot myself but my opinion isnt going to change on this and as i said to some of you.. you dont have to think my opinion is worth anything

So... even if they do an investigation, find out that the officer was actually reaching for his Taser and not his gun, and the officer himself comes out to apologise for shooting the bloke, you're still going to say he was right to shoot him?


See you just don't get quality pig-headedness like that anymore these days!

 

[punkrockergirl]

So... even if they do an investigation, find out that the officer was actually reaching for his Taser and not his gun, and the officer himself comes out to apologise for shooting the bloke, you're still going to say he was right to shoot him?


See you just don't get quality pig-headedness like that anymore these days!

didnt say that i wouldnt change my mind if evidence comes up .. i meant my opinion isnt going to change on this due to what anyone says here.. should have been more clear on that

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Just because someone has a degree in psychology, it doesn't make their points or opinions exempt from scrutiny.

of course it doesnt.. you are missing my point. those in the field of psychology generally put much thought before they speak. It just goes with the territory. It amazes ne how so many here wanna be headshrinks