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the "baseball only" thread

CaptainQuantum said:
milagros, I think I read somewhere that the Cardinals are 2nd to the Yankees in number of World Series won. I would have thought it would be the Dodgers.
The Dodgers weren't always good. They made the World Series in 1916 and 1920 and lost them. The Dodgers became a World Series contender in the 1940's and 1950's when the Dodgers and Yankees squared off many a post-season. The Dodgers started to win World Titles in the 1960's ( they did win one in Brooklyn in 1955. ) They Dodgers have always been good. The Cardinals started win World Titles back when they beat the Yankees in 1926. The Cardinals "Gashouse Gang" won a title in 1934 and so it went for the Cardinals. The Cardinals last title came in 1982 when they beat the Milwaukee Brewers ( then of the American League ) in the World Series. The Cardinals then lost the World Series in 1985 to the KC Royals, 1987 to the Minnesota Twins and then lost last season to the upstart Boston Red Sox. Let it be known along the way, the Cardinals had beaten the Red Sox in 1946 and 1967 ( '67 was consider by many in New England the "Impossible Dream" season.) There is the short history lesson. 😀
 
The golden age of Dodger baseball was 1947 to 1966. During those 20 seasons, they won 4 World Series and 10 NL pennants.

Not coincidently, that era began with Jackie Robinson's rookie year, and ended with the retirement of Sandy Koufax.
 
I wish I had been alive during the golden years of Dodger baseball. 🙁 I remember the 1988 World Series win only because of Kirk Gibson (I didn't really care about sports until a few years later) and the fact that it was the same year the Los Angeles Lakers repeated as NBA champions (they're the team I've followed the longest). 😀
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-worldseries&prov=ap&type=lgns for full article

While the roof was retracted for batting practice, the Astros would rather have it shut tight Tuesday, when the state of Texas hosts a World Series game for the first time.

In yet another postseason series where umpires' calls have been debated, the roof was just as hot a topic.

The Astros were 36-17 at home when it was closed during the regular season, 15-11 when it was rolled back and 2-0 in games that began indoors and finished in fresh air.

During the regular season, the Astros pick their environment. But during the postseason, the commissioner's office makes that call.

Jimmie Lee Solomon, executive vice president of baseball operations in the commissioner's office, was to decide Tuesday, when the forecast called for clear skies with a temperature in the low 60s.
 
ticklingfeet4fu said:
I have family who live in Chicago who were Cubs fans before you were an itch in Daddy's jock and they are very close to me. You don't have to agree with me. Quite frankly, don't care if you do or don't. The traitor comment was really funny. I actually thought about how I spelled it after you said it. Well stated Natural. I should learn to spell. But what the heck, what do you expect from a guy who rides the short bus and is a Mets fan. Nothing. So I did right by it.😛 You talk about Cubs Nation ( when did they start that? ). That is more like cursed nation there buddy. 2006 is coming though. And you can make it 98 years at the end of next season. :wavingguy :jester:

P.S. Don't be so testy. It is all in fun until the new season starts and you start up with your Cubs rehab program. 🙄 :jester:


I am not testy, buddy. I know its all in fun, but when I heard the word 'traitor' it got to me. No harm done. But my friend, next year will be 3 for 3 in curses eliminated, because it will be our turn. The heat on management will be so intense, that they have to do something, or risk losing fan base, which will mean millions of dollars lost, affecting bottom line, and you know Tribune can't afford that.

And a disclaimer to all you conspiracy theorists:

DISCLAIMER: There is no proof that all the calls going the Sox way did anything to affect outcome. Those teams could have gotten over it and pitched better and got out of their own messes. The Sox just took advantage of all the breaks they got and capitalized. Believe me, it will even out. It's just a matter of who can cash in and the Sox did just that
 
I hope you're right about the Cubs for my dad's sake, natural. But on the other hand, Cub fans seem to have a reputation for not giving a shit enough to stop going to games when the Cubs suck. They're there to hang out and get shitfaced, as I said earlier. For the recent success of the White Sox to benefit Cub fans, they have to give a shit enough to take their business elsewhere if the Tribune continues to put out a mediocre product. One thing about New York: they don't suffer losing sports teams for long. The Cubs would've gotten laughed out of NYC a long time ago.
 
That's true, Capt. I believe its time, because the Tribune company will do something when one of two thing happen

1)the White Sox win one before the Cubs do, which is two games from happening

or

2)the fans stop coming, which will happen if they don't produce within the next two years

I know the fans like to get shitfaced, but as a season ticket holder, I also listen to conversations, and the feeling is they are tired of coming out for 3 hrs a day to watch a team going nowhere. Believe me, an empty Wrigley Field with numbers like the Expos had before leaving is the one thing they fear.
 
I'm all ready to watch game 3 tonight. I just the umpires don't do anything grossly stupid again. 😀
 
The pre-game show on my FOX station said the roof would not be closed at Minute Maid Park. Yet another disadvantage to the Astros.
 
At least there is a roof in case of rain. They played in cold, wet conditons in Chicago. 🙁
 
Yes, as long the conditions are the same for both teams (no changes between half innings) the home team should make the decision before the game begins, based on the weather report.
 
natural tickler said:
I am not testy, buddy. I know its all in fun, but when I heard the word 'traitor' it got to me. No harm done. But my friend, next year will be 3 for 3 in curses eliminated, because it will be our turn. The heat on management will be so intense, that they have to do something, or risk losing fan base, which will mean millions of dollars lost, affecting bottom line, and you know Tribune can't afford that.

And a disclaimer to all you conspiracy theorists:

DISCLAIMER: There is no proof that all the calls going the Sox way did anything to affect outcome. Those teams could have gotten over it and pitched better and got out of their own messes. The Sox just took advantage of all the breaks they got and capitalized. Believe me, it will even out. It's just a matter of who can cash in and the Sox did just that
Their own messes??? You mean messes created by poor umpiring. Their is a HUGE difference between your own messes and messes created by other things. Jermaine Dye admitted that the ball never hit him that it hit the bat. Did the Astros put Dye on base or was that the umpire? I mean it is possible I got something in my eye when Dye was awarded first base. 😱
 
milagros317 said:
Meanwhile, the Astros lead 1-0 after one inning.
This is good. I want the Astros to win by at least a 6-1 count. Just to make this a series and take some momentum back. A well umpired game would not hurt either. 😀
 
With Jerry Layne behind the plate, I don't expect a well-umpired game. 😛
 
Game 3 of the World Series is over. The game took 5 hours and 41 minutes.( The longest game by time in the history of the World Series. ) The game played out in 14 innings.( Tying the longest game in World Series history by innings.) Geoff Blum hit a 2 out homerun to give the White Sox a 6-5 lead and they would go on to win this game 7-5. The White Sox are now just 27 out away from their 1st World Series title since 1917 ( 88 years ago ). History tells us that only once has a team in baseball history gotten off the deck after being down 3-0. The Boston Red Sox did it one year ago as the were trailing the ALCS 3-0 and came back to beat the New York Yankees 4 games to 3. The Astros will need a miracle to do that. Later tonight it is Brandon Backe for the Astros trying to extend the season one more game going up against veteran righty Freddie Garcia. The White Sox in a GREAT GAME beat to Astros 7-5 to go up 3-zip on the 'Stros.
 
Wow!

What a classic that game was. For once the umpiring didn't affect the game all that much, except for a home run hit by Astro Jason Lane that might not have been one, as shown on the replay, but it was so close to the yellow line that the call was understandable. Roy Oswalt didn't have his usual stuff for Houston and gave up five runs to the White Sox in a 46-pitch fifth inning after his team had built a 4-0 lead. The game was so long Mark Buehrle, who started and won the last game for Chicago, had to come in to save the game for his team. What a win for the Sox and a heartbreak for the Astros, who stranded 15 runners. One other note: Geoff Blum used to be an Astro. Ironic, isn't it? The Chicago White Sox won this one fair and square. I don't think this World Series is going back to the Windy City.

P.S. Thanks for posting all the important stuff, ticklingfeet4u. 😀
 
amk714 said:
What a classic that game was. For once the umpiring didn't affect the game all that much, except for a home run hit by Astro Jason Lane that might not have been one, as shown on the replay, but it was so close to the yellow line that the call was understandable. Roy Oswalt didn't have his usual stuff for Houston and gave up five runs to the White Sox in a 46-pitch fifth inning after his team had built a 4-0 lead. The game was so long Mark Buehrle, who started and won the last game for Chicago, had to come in to save the game for his team. What a win for the Sox and a heartbreak for the Astros, who stranded 15 runners. One other note: Geoff Blum used to be an Astro. Ironic, isn't it? The Chicago White Sox won this one fair and square. I don't think this World Series is going back to the Windy City.

P.S. Thanks for posting all the important stuff, ticklingfeet4u. 😀
It was an absolute classic. You are right about that. I can forgive a bad call when you have to make the call from 250 feet away. It is the one right under your nose that you get wrong that bothers me. The umpires really did a good job last night and worked really hard. There were no controversal calls. The home plate umpire Jerry Layne did a very good job for the most part. It was a really good game by everyone but the Astros. For the second straight game the Astros had a lead and could not hold it. They lead this game at one point 4-0 before letting it slip away. The Astros did not get a hit after the 8th inning though they had many chance to win the game in extra innings as White Sox relievers kept walking batters throughout the contest. Tonight the White Sox look to close it out and Houston looks to live one more game. It is the White Sox and Astros. It's game four and it comes up in 6 hours.
 
*in Schwarzeneggar voice* STOP WHINING!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_y...YF?slug=dw-whitesox102605&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Frozen moment

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
October 26, 2005

HOUSTON – By the time the Houston Astros kept choking with the winning run in scoring position, taking third strikes in extra innings and walking in insurance runs in the most must-win game in franchise history, the temperature had fallen all the way to a crisp 48 degrees in Texas.

So maybe they really were too cold to play. Of course, who doesn't like their whine slightly chilled?

The Chicago White Sox just play, no matter the conditions, no matter the situation, no matter the history. Whether Minute Maid Park's roof is open or closed, there's a million-man march full of walks or there are rainy, windy or perfect full-moon conditions, it doesn't matter.

Down four against Houston ace Roy Oswalt, the White Sox dug deep and sent 11 batters to the plate to score five runs in the fifth inning. They had no business lasting until the 14th inning, but they got a game-winning dinger from Geoff Blum, who just happened to play the hero in his first World Series at-bat.

The Astros? They spent the pregame press conferences cursing Bud Selig for making them open up the roof at Minute Maid, then ended up rolling over dead in the late innings.

Chicago 7, Houston 5 in 14 interminable innings. This World Series is all over, but not the Astros' crying. After capturing the longest game in Series history (five hours, 41 minutes), the White Sox take a commanding 3-0 lead into Wednesday's Game 4, where the Minute Maid roof promises to be open again.

"They're trying to take the home-field advantage from us," pouted outfielder Lance Berkman before the game, when word came down from up above that the stars at night would be big and bright.

"It's almost like a road game for us now," first baseman Mike Lamb claimed.

"I don't care," shrugged White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen. "It is going to be open or closed."

Gee, wonder which team was more mentally ready to play?

Teams take emotional cues from their manager. The fact that Phil Garner allowed his players to let something as silly as fresh air seep into their consciousness in a game of such magnitude is stunning.

It seemed to even affect the vaunted Houston fans, who mostly sat on their chilly hands throughout the late innings offering little to no support.

Maybe this entire roof thing was nothing. Or maybe it was a sign of everything that is separating these mostly evenly matched teams.

It takes mental toughness as much as physical might to be a champion. The funny thing is, Houston got this far by getting tough when the games and the pressure became tight. But in this game, the Astros showed little fight, following a game-tying, eighth-inning rally with inning after inning of punchless at-bats.

"This is embarrassing," Garner said. "That's some pretty poor hitting, absolute rotten hitting. I'm really ticked off. I've got lots of emotion."

At least someone was showing some. The Astros didn't so much battle in extra innings as they survived.

They didn't get a single hit after the eighth inning. Not one. They managed a meager eight hits over 14 innings of play. If it weren't for wild White Sox relievers – who kept generously walking and beaning Houston's hitters – the Astros never would have gotten anyone on base.

The fact the White Sox were trying hard to lose this game didn't matter, either. ("Our execution was real poor today," Guillen said.)

Houston left a pathetic 10 potential game-winning runners on base and 12 overall from the eighth inning on. Over the course of the night, the Astros stranded a mind-blowing 15 guys, more than an episode of "Lost." In the late innings, with winning runs on base, they struck out looking three separate times.

Just to repeat, this was extra innings of the World stinkin' Series. Not exactly the time to take a called third strike.

"We had every chance in the world to win the ball game," Garner snapped.

In a game they had to have in a big way, the Astros came up small over and over. Rather than seize this thing like a champion, they played not to lose.

As bad as Chicago was, eventually someone stepped up to be the difference maker. That it was the lightly used 32-year-old Blum who hit the winning home run is just perfect White Sox style.

"It surprised me because the kid hadn't played in two months," Guillen said.

Now Chicago is one game from sweeping its way to its first World Series title in 88 years and equaling the 1999 New York Yankees as the only team to complete the postseason with just one loss in the wild-card era.

The White Sox have won 10 of 11 postseason games, including seven straight, and they have done it by shrugging off adversity, deficits, difficulties and anything else you could throw at them. In a sure reflection of their manager, they never complain and they never seem to get nervous.

The White Sox just play. The Astros, once again, just watched.

Perhaps all the roof talk was just talk. Perhaps not. But as a rule, champions don't let weather, questionable calls and outside factors affect them.

They just play. They just win. They just become champions.

So chill the whine, Houston. Chicago can chill the champagne.
 
I confess that I fell asleep after the 10th inning during the commercials. When I woke up, it was 5am and the game was over.
 
I've already posted in the "Congrats to the White Sox" thread in General Discussion, so I'll talk more about Game 4 here. Both pitchers were on tonight, but the Astros couldn't score anyone again. Meanwhile, poor Brad Lidge gives up yet another run, courtesy of a hit by Jermaine Dye, the MVP winner. And those last two plays by Juan Uribe to get the final two outs were awesome. Congrats to Chicago for winning their first WS since 1917, and to Houston for making it this far. 🙂
 
amk714 said:
I've already posted in the "Congrats to the White Sox" thread in General Discussion, so I'll talk more about Game 4 here. Both pitchers were on tonight, but the Astros couldn't score anyone again. Meanwhile, poor Brad Lidge gives up yet another run, courtesy of a hit by Jermaine Dye, the MVP winner. And those last two plays by Juan Uribe to get the final two outs were awesome. Congrats to Chicago for winning their first WS since 1917, and to Houston for making it this far. 🙂
Poor Brad Lidge? I would say poor Brandon Backe. He poured his heart out into that game. That is a GREAT clutch performance on his part and Lidge and Ensberg and Everett and the rest of the Astros let him down. I thought he should have went out there in the 8th inning myself. That is not even a 2nd guess. I felt after game 2 and 3 were lost by the bullpen I would have gone with Backe until I just couldn't no more. I know sending up Bagwell in the minds of many is the thing to do but since he hasn't homered since April 29th what would change now. You were in a pitchers duel and you know you haven't been scoring runs and your bullpen had pitched 8 innings last night. I would have stay with my starter and won or lost the game with him. Lidge has proven he does not belong in the class of Mariano Riveria ( whom many have compared him to ). He pitched poorly in game 5 NLCS and throughout this World Series ( except for an inning and a 1/3 in game 3 where he struck out 3 batters ). White Sox played their hearts out and deserved to win. Brandon Backe pitched his heart out too and also deserved to win. Final score from Houston: Chicago White Sox 1 - Houston Astros 0. The Chicago White Sox are the 2005 World Series Champions in a four game sweep of the Houston Astros. See all of you baseball fans again in March. Baseball season is official over. :sadcry: :cry1: :dropatear 🙁
 
Actually I agree with you. Brandon Backe pitched great and his team wasted the opportunity. If I were an Astros fan I wouldn't have any sympathy for Brad Lidge, but he's not part of my team so I really don't care about him. Morgan Ensberg was so inconsistent with his stance at the plate. I don't know why no one worked with him to correct it. The bottom line is, Chicago executed and Houston didn't, and yes, Lidge is no Mariano Rivera. Hell, he isn't even Bobby Jenks! Finally, I don't know why Phil Garner decided to take out Backe, since Bagwell hasn't been hitting well, but it was a big mistake that may have cost the Astros a chance at another game. The White Sox embarrassed the opposition and went 11-1 during the postseason, but the Astros had plenty of chances to win and couldn't capitalize. It's too bad the baseball season is over, but I'm a fan of other sports also, so I'll watch them instead. 😀
 
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