Tickling/Religion/Guilt & Evil...

[dvnc]

That's why many dungeons have sign-ins, releasin' 'em from responsibility for YOUR play. Some folks renege afterwards, for a great variety of reason. Sometimes, it's even true that one of the players was out of bounds, so to speak.

It's part of why the West Coast Gatherings' questionairre asks about experience with such, and why our event invites mention rules so stringently. No one wants to lose a home 'cause someone doesn't know how to say no, or doesn't know how to listen. We're rather decisive about such. Always amuses me when folks argue safewords and such, 'cause the legal bounds WITHOUT safewords leaves no avenue of defense. With 'em, you have clear intent to play consentually, and an established means for safety.

Still think we oughta yank this part of the thread to a separate thread. It ain't really religion, guilt or evil, y'know? Good topic, though. I want Mia in on this, and dunno if she even READS this thread.

my $0.02,

dvnc

 

[Strelnikov]

The EZBoard forum had a thread that dealt with the way tickling has been treated by the legal system. One case mentioned was the "Kingston Tickler" in, I think, NY State. He burgled young women's homes, tied them up and tickled their feet. As I recall, he never raped or otherwise harmed them and never stole anything. I think he was convicted of B&E, assault and unlawful imprisonment, but not rape or burglary. Anybody know anything more about this?

Strelnikov

 

[qjakal]

Guilt...or evil

Actually d, it could fit in under guilt in the wrong circumstances...Q

 

[dvnc]

Q, that's WHY folks like me practice consentual play, with negotiation and the establishment of safewords BEFORE starting play - no guilt. I don't DO guilt. Wasted time.

Strel, good question. What ever did happen wit' that?

dvnc

 

[QBWeaver]

I remember reading about the Kingston Tickler. For me, waking up being tied by a stranger and then tickled would probably freak me out to no end. The whole while I'd probably be wondering when he was going to rape or kill me or both.

I've gone through the rape thing once back in '78 when I awoke with a knife at my throat and a hand over my mouth. Certainly not a wonderful way to awaken so I can imagine what went through that ladies mind.

Now if the guy and the gal had AGREED to do something like that it would be a different story but to break into someone's home, tie up someone and tickle them... Nah. Yet I have to admit it's sure a fun fantasy but the reality is way too scary because you don't truly know his intent.

 

[qjakal]

Bad reputation...

Just what we needed...our best known "poster boy" for tickling is a burglar! Yup, the link betweeen tickling and crime is now well established...lol. Hi QB, BTW...I don't think I've seen you in here before...did you actually read this entire Russian novella of a thread?

As for the rush of breaking in and tying up the helpless homeowner...okay, I've thought about it, in that hazy fantasy sort of way, (liar...you know you have too). But, then the hazy fantasy husband with his hazy shotgun and Doberman came into the scene! Safety first! Besides, although I consider myself a fairly intelligent person, I am NOT what one would call a lucky human! She would be a nonticklish blackbelt with an attitude if I tried this! Murphys Law operates at maximum capacity when I'm around.... Q

 

[Strelnikov]

THEOLOGICAL ENGINEERING EXAM

THEOLOGICAL ENGINEERING EXAM 5 Questions, 60 Minutes.

You may use a calculator, the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and the Book of Mormon. The speed of light is c. Show all work. For all problems, assume a perfectly spherical Jesus of constant density D. No praying during the exam.

1. (20 pts.) Bob and Joe are standing on a street corner. God loves each an equal amount L_0. Bob then accelerates to 0.9c. In Joe's rest frame, how much does God now love Bob?

2. Sean, a Catholic, is in a state of grace. He then has sex with sheep S. *
a. (8 pts.) What is Sean's atonement coefficient following the act if the sheep was not willing?
b. (12 pts.) What if the sheep, while not technically being willing, could not be said to mind either?

3. (20 pts.) Let the eternal, all abiding love of the Holy Spirit be the xy plane. Let Sue's soul be at (0,0,5) at t = 0 sec., traveling at 5 m/s in the direction of the positive z axis. Everything is in Cartesian coordinates bespeaking subscription to a perfectly rational Enlightenment attitude towards the Universe. At what time t will Sue be saved? (Hint: Assume a point soul.)

4. (20 pts.) Assume the Rapture occurs at time t. Cornelia, a saved human weighing 90 kg, in a state of grace, has her head in the closing jaws of an alligator at time t. What mass of meat will remain to the alligator at time t + 10 sec.?

5. Stan is a frictionless, massless Mormon in a rest state. His sin level for his faith is currently 11 McBeals. He eats 0.3 kg of pork, and enjoys it very much. Assume that the Jews are right about, well, pretty much everything.
a. (10 pts.) What is Stan's sin level now?
b. (10 pts.)Stan is one of them Salt Lake City Mormons. He ain't so damn smug now, is he?

Extra Credit (10 pts): 25 grams of wafers and 20 ml of cheap wine undergo transubstantiation and become the flesh and blood of our Lord. How many Joules of heat are released by the transformation?

Hand in exam when done, and may God have mercy on your work.


Strelnikov



* Name changed due to HK's comment, about 3 posts down. Irish name was chosen, see my Bestiality post 11/25.

S.

 

[dvnc]

Ow. My head hurts.

OTOH, 5b killed me. 😉

dvnc

 

[omega]

My answers

Strel,

I will answer your test with the two best answers any pastor should be willing to use.

1. I don't know

2a. I don't know

2b. I don't know

3. I don't know

4. I don't know

5a. I don't know

5b. I'm sorry

Extra Credit. Is it transubstantiation or transformation?

 

[qjakal]

Simple Test

I carefully printed it out, folded it up into an airplane and threw it...it curved downwards, indicating I was going to hell, so I lifted it up onto a high shelf, thus restoring myself to Grace. What else ya got? Q

 

[Strelnikov]

Omega, for Roman Catholics it's "transubstantiation", and it's an article of faith that the wafer and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ even though their outward form is unchanged. Seems to me that the concept was cause of the schism between the Western and Eastern Church in about the 10th Century. What's the belief in your church?

Q, you old heathen, did you tickle Grace's feet when you had her on the shelf?

Strelnikov

 

[hawkikim]

Hey, Strel - EXCELLENT quiz! I have one quibble though.

No one named Sven would be Catholic. Missouri Synod Lutheran would be more likely!

(I'll take my tongue out of my cheek now. Have a great Thanksgiving, everyone!!!!!)

Kimmie

 

[qjakal]

My Buddy Sven!

Hey, I know a Catholic Sven! And a Catholic Saul as well! They're not real GOOD Catholics, but they pay lip service and dues....Hi Kim, BTW! Your first appearance in this monster thread? It wanders a bit....like a drunk on a hilly street. Happy ThanksGiving to all from myself also!

Strel, it would be ungallant to cause a lady to fall off a shelf (or pedestal), so I of course left her shelfo intacto.

Anyone remember where we were before we started with frictionless sheep and such? Q

 

[shark]

A buddy and I had the "drunk walking on a hilly street"experience.It's
alot easier going down the hill,but alot more dangerous,too.Especially
when one of the two is so bad that he can't stay on the street,let alone in the middle!

 

[omega]

my failed attempts at humor

Omega, for Roman Catholics it's "transubstantiation", and it's an article of faith that the wafer and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ even though their outward form is unchanged. Seems to me that the concept was cause of the schism between the Western and Eastern Church in about the 10th Century. What's the belief in your church?
Strelnikov

I think I was trying to be funny in my reply, but after having read it over I can't see what the humor was. I hate it when that happens during a sermon

I do however know about the views on communion. transubstantiation for Catholics, consubstantiation for Lutherans (the elements do not become the actual body and blood of Jesus but the presence of Jesus is real in the elements), and the memorial view (there is no actual presence of Jesus in the elements, they are symbols of salvation brought by the death and resurrection of Jesus). Our church is the memorial view, though personally I might be inclined to think like a Lutheran. Also, we do not use wine, we use grape juice. We were one of the very first tea tote'ling denominations in the USA. Which means I always have to hide my bottles before the bishop visits. (Hey just kidding Bish) 😀

Q: I can't remember what came before frictionless sheep. But I do have a concern about Grace on your shelf. Just make sure you dust her often. Hell hath no fury like a woman undusted, or scorned, or ignored.

 

[qjakal]

Furious Women...

I believe that IS the definition of Hell...many furious women wanting to know what you're going to do to make things better! Not sure if Dante was up on all the "Circles". As for Grace, I have just the feather duster...lol. Q

 

[venray]

Answer to a simple test

1. equally

2.a 15

b 2

3. 10 am mountain time

4. 15 kg

5.a 32 Macnuggles

b nope

extra credit 0 Joules as this was a trick question.

Please email me with my score asap

Ven

 

[QBWeaver]

Hi Qjakal,

I've been following this entire thread since it began but never had much to add to it until someone mentioned the Kingston Tickler. So thanks for the Hi!

Jan

 

[jordan]

Hey guys

There are a few things I didn't want to bring up about myself, but I guess I should so you will understand that all circumstances will not lead a person to do different things that might hurt someone or other people

(Mostly breaking the law.)

1.My mother was 19 when she had my brother and than two years later me.(With another man.)

2.My brother's dad broke my brothers nose when he was yonger and mom left the guy.

3.A few months later we were put up for adoption.

4.My new family adopted me and I didn't learn about my real mom until my step mom told me.

5.My step mom left my dad.

6.I didn't hear from her for five years.

7.My real mom got in contact with us and its been hell since.

8.I met my step mom and her husband I find out in the paper blew his head off with a pistol.

9.My aunt died.

10.An uncle died.

Thats just a few of the problems I had growing up and it didn't fase me in the least. So please don't let someone tell you they are bad becuase they were abused, or abandond I was abandond twice.

Cya and good luck.

 

[qjakal]

Loss...and grieving

Of course it bothered you jordan...these things will be a part of your life and have shaped you, whether you choose to realize it or not at this time. Dealing with loss is a private procedure, and at times you may even be able to deceive yourself into believing that all these events have rolled off your back, like water off a duck, but that isn't the way we're wired, mate. Glad you've come through these things and begun the journey into adulthood, but don't fool yourself that all this has been left behind you...I've lost a lot of family in the last 2 decades myself, and even with a few more years of maturity helping me along the adjustment trail, it's not easy...nor is it supposed to be I guess. The death of my twin sister started the sequence of horrific passings, and in some ways her loss is as fresh today as it was 15 years ago. Anyway, I just replied to your website thread and happened to wander back this way... Q

 

[Strelnikov]

Bestiality

This post was going to be a follow-on to the Exam question, but because of Jordan and Q's posts I'll turn it into a plug instead. Read the book, "Angela's Ashes" by Frank McCourt. Rent the movie. It's McCourt's story about his life growing up poor in Ireland in the 1930's and 40's, and it's a story of triumph over adversity and personal loss, one of those books that's at the same time depressing and inspiring.

Oh, and the bestiality part...

Sequence from the movie: One of the boys has a bunch of older sisters. He charges his mates each a shilling to peek at them thru a crack in the shutters on bath night. This leads to an epidemic of wanking.

Young Frankie enters the confessional: "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. I have done terrible things."

Priest, dead pan: "Have ye done terrible things by yourself, or with another person, or with an animal?"

Narrator: "With an animal! Faith, the idea was breath taking! The priest was from the countryside. With his question, he opened up to us a whole new vista of sin."


Strelnikov

 

[qjakal]

"Vistas Of Sin"

Sounds like a new prime time drama in the works, Strel...you write it and I'll help spend the royalties! Q

 

[Strelnikov]

Actually, the words of McCourt's narrator could only have come from someone raised in the Roman Catholic Church, as Q and I were about the time of the Avignon Popes. Knowing that something is sinful makes it more fun to do. In my early years, one of the reasons this kink was so much fun was the danger of being found out and branded as a wierdo or pervert. It's grand sport to shout at the devil.

Strelnikov

 

[qjakal]

Indeed...

The spice of life....but, I try to make sure the Old Sod is distracted before I shout too much! As for those Popes...nah...I am just an egg! Q

 

[jordan]

Of course it bothered me but it didn't effect me to want to hurt someone.