Youtube Childporn

[CrystalLight]

Will banning the media actually prevent any acts of violence against a child? Or does it just make the grown ups feel better to have a rule in place (a rule that really can't be enforced, btw).

No. It won't. BUT there is always room for trial. The whole aspect of this video and others being around is intention enough for shit to start. And I just think it's wrong.

I do not agree with it in a whole. Yes, it would be wonderful to wave a magic wand and make it all go away. I'm not that naive. It won't go away. But the point of my post's was to explain my opinion and anger towards the situation in a WHOLE..not debate the potentials out there.

 

[venray]

Yes, I personally find it distasteful and offensive. But I don't find it sinister, dangerous, or illegal. Nearly everybody's reaction is based on emotion, revulsion, and personal values. Whenever you take action against people simply for liking something you don't, you've just taken the road back to the Salem witch hunts. Again I ask, who was harmed by this action? Christ, we have men here on this forum who get off on inflicting pain on women all in the name of "consentual play" so it's a little difficult for me to get excited about a victimless prank.

I've been living right here in the USA, where catalogues for Sears and JC Penny are legally viewable by anybody. Where have YOU been living??

I'm a firm believer that not everybody should have kids. I think that there are good reasons to want kids, like investing oneself in their upbringing and imparting the values one treasures, not to mention the pride and joy of seeing one's own offspring grow into a successful adult that contributes to the world in a positive way.

Having kids simply to change one's POV? Bad idea, and it's hard to believe it was you who suggested it.

JC Penney and Sears do not solicit photographs from children in order to please pedophiles.....

That is the difference here....

You asked where the crime was...I told you....listed on the books in every state.....(some laws more severe than others)...

As for me suggesting you have kids to change your POV..I am surprised that YOU missed the sarcasm....I shall endeavor to use smilies in the future so there will be no more misinterpretations....

 

[tkpolo]

Now i think each side has a point blah blah blah!
The thing that bothers me is this. I was searching for a particular tickling clip on youtube and saw a video in which a young girl was being tickled for a "dare" BY HER MUM! Now its one thing when the parents can claim they didn't know what was going on or make some other shite excuse for parenting poorly but surely that is beyond any reasonable parental logic?

 

[giggle-maker]

OK I've had enough!! Fuck this scholarly tip-toe around the issue shit!!


We are not talking about "media that was never intended to arouse"! We are talking about some pediophile parasite who got in touch with children through e-mail and told them to tickle each other on Youtube!



I don't give two rats assfucks about a JC Penny catalog!!

Stop talking about the Goddamn JC Penny catalog!!

This child-stalker got some children to film dare-tickling on Youtube so he could jack off to it!!

If You Don't Understand Why That Is Wrong You Are Screwed Up!!

Attempts to water it down with some bullshit about a JC Penny catalog won't hold fucking water with me!!

Yes I have a seven year old daughter and yes that is fuling my anger!!

The Goddamn thread is called youtube childporn!!

Not jerkin it to the JC Penny catalog!!

 

[xSamanthax]

OK I've had enough!! Fuck this scholorly tip-toe around the issue shit!!


We are not talking about "media that was never intended to arouse"! We are talking about some pediophile parasite who got in touch with children through e-mail and told them to tickle each other on Youtube!



I don't give two rats assfucks about a JC Penny catalog!!

Stop talking about the Goddamn JC Penny catalog!!

This child-stalker got some children to film dare-tickling on Youtube so he could jack off to it!!

If You Don't Understand Why That Is Wrong You Are Screwed Up!!

Attempts to water it down with some bullshit about a JC Penny catalog won't hold fucking water with me!!

Yes I have a seven year old daughter and yes that is fuling my anger!!

The Goddamn thread is called youtube childporn!!

Not jerkin it to the JC Penny catalog!!

LOL. Feel better?

 

[CrystalLight]

It's a shitty situation all the way around. And regardless of how we all feel we are going to have different opinions on the topic, some of us are very stubborn and that's cool.

It's fine to be passionate about something, and just keep lovin' yer kids the way you know how.. we can't protect them all..we can be angry..But let's juss try to not take it out on those who disagree..regardless of the velocity of the topic bein' discussed. This is a good debate thread..I'd hate to see it get eaten with flamewars.

 

[giggle-maker]

It's a shitty situation all the way around. And regardless of how we all feel we are going to have different opinions on the topic, some of us are very stubborn and that's cool.

It's fine to be passionate about something, and just keep lovin' yer kids the way you know how.. we can't protect them all..we can be angry..But let's juss try to not take it out on those who disagree..regardless of the velocity of the topic bein' discussed. This is a good debate thread..I'd hate to see it get eaten with flamewars.

I understand the need for healthy debate free of flaming. Believe me, I do. XSamanthaX and I have had a few good debates without flaming each other and I normaly take the more intellegent route and can even admit when I'm wrong.

That being said I got increasingly...upset...at the addition of elements that had nothing to do with the actual issue.

I just hope that all parties taking part in this thread understand that daring children to tickle each other on youtube...at least shouldn't...fly.

 

[CrystalLight]

I understand the need for healthy debate free of flaming. Believe me, I do. XSamanthaX and I have had a few good debates without flaming each other and I normaly take the more intellegent route and can even admit when I'm wrong.

That being said I got increasingly...upset...at the addition of elements that had nothing to do with the actual issue.

I just hope that all parties taking part in this thread understand that daring children to tickle each other on youtube...at least shouldn't...fly.

I understand, man. Completely.

 

[drew70]

If the action were restricted to the watching of the material, legality would be hard to call. After all, simmilar segements of society have gotten far too much pleasure out of the childrens undergarment and swimwear sections of the Sears catalog for decades in the privacy of their homes.

I'm not sure I follow. What constitutes "too much pleasure?" See, this is what I'm talking about. We're penalizing people for liking something too much. It's none of our (society's) business what people LIKE. It's what people DO that's our business and only then if it negatively impacts innocent people.

The issue is that some of these 'dare' videos are clearly being solicited. And in that action several legal barriers are crossed and you have the basis of a crime. The soliciation of minors for the creation of media for sexual purposes to be specific.

That seems pretty thin to me, especially since the media in question is not in any way sexually explicit. How is a prosecutor going to prove that the guy wants nonsexual material for sexual purposes? The best he can do is make the accusation and play on the emotions of the jury.

The tickling community gets to deal with the fallout and the lable of all being sick and deviant. All the works done to foster understanding and commujnication of who we are are washed away.

My question is, how can we as a community expect society not to label us as "sick and deviant" when we're throwing the same label willy nilly at people whose actions we can't even prove are sexually motivated?

 

[Goodieluver]

I only read bits and pieces of this thread but i will ask this if it hasnt been asked

Has any blame been put on the kids putting these videos on the net in the first place? If they werent dolts, they wouldnt listen to the dares or put videos of them doing it in the first place. But they know about how big tickling\foot videos are on youtube and want to be "cool" and hi ranked on youtube

Blame the supplier, not the (sadly) demand

 

[venray]

If You Don't Understand Why That Is Wrong You Are Screwed Up!!

Attempts to water it down with some bullshit about a JC Penny catalog won't hold fucking water with me!!



The Goddamn thread is called youtube childporn!!

Not jerkin it to the JC Penny catalog!![/b][/size]

You are 100 % correct...

Some like to skirt issues and take the opposing side just to do so ....adding no thought to what they post....pay them no heed...

 

[nostradamas]

As a community there is nothing, unfortunetly that we can really do except keep reporting them. Maybe even write a letter to the lead dickheads, I don't know. But that's just a little odd to me is all.

I agree that reporting them is about all we can do as responsible citizens.

But you did commit some spelling errors that I was kind enough to point out. No need to thank me, doll.

This is an excellent thread, IMO. YouTube is just so enormous that it's become difficult to police.

 

[Myriads]

I'm not sure I follow. What constitutes "too much pleasure?" See, this is what I'm talking about. We're penalizing people for liking something too much. It's none of our (society's) business what people LIKE. It's what people DO that's our business and only then if it negatively impacts innocent people.

Excuse me, I phrased it artfuly. I should have said: There are people who get out the Sears catalog and wack off until they orgasm to images of small children in underthings and swimwear. I assumed most would get my sarcastic phrasing.

The point is that the YT videos are being solicited. That's a key difference in them and say The Sears Catalog. Once a person starts to solicit the creation of material then they have crossed a subtle legal line. It's a fine one but in the legal sense it's as big as the Grand Canyon.

but you say, it's not sexual material? How is that a problem?

That seems pretty thin to me, especially since the media in question is not in any way sexually explicit. How is a prosecutor going to prove that the guy wants nonsexual material for sexual purposes? The best he can do is make the accusation and play on the emotions of the jury.


This is the same issue the TMF faces when material is posted here. It's contextual meaning in the eyes of the law.

In the eyes of the law the TMF is seen as a sexually based website (that can be argued, but it's a fact on the ground, we live with it) because of that designation, all that is posted here is open to interpretation through a sexual perspective. Though something is not per-say itself sexual it is placed in a sexual context (the forum) and that causes the material itself to become sexulized in the legal sense. This is why all minor stuff got banned here. Through legal eyes, such material is using children in a sexual way, and that leads to expensive court cases. So it got banned.

In the same way, Non sexual media (like the sears catalog, or the YT videos) when used by a individual who derives sexual gratification from seeing such material, becomes sexualized in that case also. It's a unique position that media gets in the laws eyes. It can have different meanings depending on the viewer. It's why 'art' is such a slippery word in the context of law.

So when a person is caught up in some way for what they do, when such non sexual media is found in their position the case has and is made that it was pornographic in it's users context.

To be specific about the YT videos. Why are they being solicited for creation? In some cases so someone can wack off to them. That's solicitation of a minor for sexual purposes. The law attaches to USE not content per say in these instances.

That's the problem.

My question is, how can we as a community expect society not to label us as "sick and deviant" when we're throwing the same label willy nilly at people whose actions we can't even prove are sexually motivated?

It's not been proven that any of the people who solicited the dare videos were doing it for sexual motivation. True. But we are also left with the unanswered question. Why is an adult encouraging this behavior to be filmed?

It's behavior that draws suspicion. And thats what people are looking at. They cannot find a reason that someone would solicite this stuff as an adult from children, and not have a personal, non good reason for it.

Tossing stones is easy.

Here is a viewpoint:

Imagine there is a unseen card dealer in the sky. The deck of cards they hold is huge. Each card has a fetish upon it. Every day all this entity does is toss cards at children who are in thier sexual development phase.

*pow* You get feet!
*pop* You get being wrestled by women
*bop* you get breasts! (congrats! Society accepts you!)
*smack* You get tickling
*plop* you get giant women stepping on you! (It's impossible you say? Tough!)
*pow* you get being tied up
*slap* you get rubber
*doink* You get children (aw too bad it's illegal in your culture!)
*plop* You get feet
*doink* you get anal play
... and so it goes.

Our pediophile is just a person who got dealt a crap fetish card. Why is it crap? Our society says so. Period.

So even though it's hypocracy to toss stones from OUR position. We still do, becuase Societies position takes precidence over our own.

Social forces trump all most all. Our culture says these folks are to be stoned. We dutifuly stone them. (Is it right that we do? Another topic, don't pop it here in this thread)

Folks, The problem here is that there are some people who like what we like (tickling) also like their media to have young people doing it.

We as a community want no part of them, or the reputation they can and will bring to us. In our time and culture, they represent something that can harm our community. That's why people are going off on them.

Myriads

 

[sonictails77]

Despite all these varying opinions, I think we can all agree that the "dare-videos" are not something we want to necessarily see more of in the future, whether we consider it a threat or not. We cannot change the minds of the kids that choose to post them, in all reality it seems like there is very little we can do. But I do encourage all of us to do what we can to keep those out there that do wish to abuse their "fetish" in a way that may emotionally or physically harm others, especially children, from doing any harm. And if that means mere reporting someone that we find suspicious, so be it. The important thing is that we all respect each other's opinions and do what we can to keep this world a better place, while maintaining that belief in personal freedom.

 

[CrystalLight]

Here is a viewpoint:

Imagine there is a unseen card dealer in the sky. The deck of cards they hold is huge. Each card has a fetish upon it. Every day all this entity does is toss cards at children who are in thier sexual development phase.

*pow* You get feet!
*pop* You get being wrestled by women
*bop* you get breasts! (congrats! Society accepts you!)
*smack* You get tickling
*plop* you get giant women stepping on you! (It's impossible you say? Tough!)
*pow* you get being tied up
*slap* you get rubber
*doink* You get children (aw too bad it's illegal in your culture!)
*plop* You get feet
*doink* you get anal play
... and so it goes.

Ahhhh..thank you..I needed that.

Best explanation...Ever.

 

[xSamanthax]

/looks at the hand she was dealt.


ummm...i got waaaay too many cards here!!!!

 

[nostradamas]

Has Anyone Considered...

that it might be a prank?!

I didn't see the clip, but I'm wondering if the kids that posted this (if they did it on their own) are laughing their asses off at the rise they got out of everyone at YT, not to mention the TMF (if they even know of this place).

Look at the title of the YT post. I'm thinking it's just kids screwing around.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the possibility is that far fetched.

Still a good thread, though.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Hmm...My thoughts

Is this video porn? IMO, no.

Could this video be seen as a sort of porn? Sure.Tickling is a fetish, obviously, so somepeople could watch it and get off. They could also watch minors smoking, farting or getting dressed up as anime charactors and dancing around.

Have pedophiles been emailling these people? It's possible. I can't say one way or the other, frankly.

How it should be handled? Perhaps Youtube should simply ban all content involving minors present in their clips(with the exceptions perhaps of TV Shows, as i need my Bleach, Naruto and Avatar fixs 😀 ). I'm not sure how it would be done, but it would solve this potential problem.

 

[drew70]

Social forces trump all most all. Our culture says these folks are to be stoned. We dutifuly stone them. (Is it right that we do? Another topic, don't pop it here in this thread)

Well, you've already said it's hypocrisy. For me, that alone answers the right or wrong question. Very nice analogy with the card-dealer. I only wish more of us could look at it that way.

 

[Gothika]

ya i constently report this skum and have
wrote letters to them they seem to think there is nothing wrong with what they do they just make me sick

here are some sites i use to report them
http://www.asacp.org/page.php?content=report&PHPSESSID=d8b5eca208e22b98f9e7ced9e7db29c6


http://www.antichildporn.org/reportcp.html

 

[COOLCAT88]

The clothes stay on, but thats pretty much what it is.

I'm assuming that a fair amount of people here type "tickling" into youtube. In the past, we'd get parents tickling their babies, creepy people tickling their pets,the odd preview clip and something blurry by ticklingparadise thrown in for good measure.

Recently things have changed. It seems that a lot of people are accepting "dares. Unfortunately, we aren't talking your typical "mix milk,orange juice, 3 raw eggs and cola, then drink it" type dare. No no, far more sinister. These are more "tie your 12 year old feet up and let your brother tickle them for 5 minutes, I bet you'll give in, ha ha ha" type dare. I think its safe to say that these aren't a group of kids, daring other kids. Click any one of the comments and you'll see page after page of fetish clips in that users "favourites".

We've all read the stories about foot nutters stealing shoes, breaking into houses and sniffing/tickling the feet of strangers, but this is just as bad if not worse, and all from the comfort of their own homes. I've reported a few to Youtube,as I'm sure others have, but its not instant. It will take a while before Youtube take a look,meanwhile hundreds, if not thousands are wanking away to videos of children.

As a community, what can we do to stop this?

Let me put in my 2 cents

I will admit, I came across many of these videos and watched them. many of them, innocently at first, some young child would show their feet saying " look at my feet!" harmless fun, no biggie.

Then the comment would start coming in, about how " Wow, urfeet are great. i'll suck them!" or " more feet videos please!". Also, the view count would rise ( Type in foot blog on youtube).

I have seen one where this young girl, maybe 15, could draw pictures with her feet. again, i'll admit I looked at the video. Well anyway, this girl must have got enough comments, because tyhe next video, she actually made a viudeo of her feet, well, she only showed hem for about 5 seconds.

 

[Rod]

Sorry, I haven't managed to read the whole thread now, but I think I have the idea of what you all think 🙂

Basically, I'm with the majority and think this is sick. I haven't come across any of the videos until I read this thread and typed "tickling dare" and then I did find one video from a girl called omgthatrandomgal who obviously looks underage and receives tons of requests for a clip where she would be tickled virtually everywhere and specifying what kind of clothes she should be wearing. The nicknames of guys that requested that were actually displayed in the clip, so perhaps we should report them instead of reporting the video?

But most importantly, if we are talking about the kids' unawareness. What better can we do in order to protect them, then e-mail them or post comments, where we would inform the kids that tickling with bondage is actually regarded as an adult activity and tell them they are being exploited by the people, whose favourites obviusly indicate they are tickle fetishist!

Or do you think this might be counter-productive, making the kids view the videos from their "friends'" favourites and therefore entering the fetish world?

 

[maniactickler]

It just sucks, man. Thinkin' peoples are out there doin' that shit..Just..wrong.

As always, i must agree with you Crystal, as you are my guiding light and mentor.

 

[InspectorJapp]

The point is that the YT videos are being solicited. That's a key difference in them and say The Sears Catalog. Once a person starts to solicit the creation of material then they have crossed a subtle legal line. It's a fine one but in the legal sense it's as big as the Grand Canyon.

Myriads hits the nail on the head here. It really boils down to this: Is it okay for an adult to solicit or encourage actions from an underage person, on the reasons of sexual gratification, even if it's so called "innocent stuff"?
For me, that is pretty simple to answer.

 

[Oddjob0226]

...so...
Am I the only one who thinks these kids are just fucking stupid?

I mean, yeah, grr and all that. It is disgusting.

But...I mean. Stupid children.

I'm wondering something kind of similar to this entry I've quoted.

It's nice that we all want to save the world. We do love to punish - even me.

But. We have kids playing together on the computer. With a video camera. Maybe, even, an older person is involved outside the camer's shot.

So..... where are the parents? Where are the older responsible adults who get on the computer, check the history, check the cookies, install firewalls & security software, find out what their kids are doing?

If the parents aren't doing their job, maybe a little good old 'exploitation' will shake these kids up and grow 'em up a little. If the parents don't teach them a lesson, the world will teach them instead.