Best pistol to commit suicide with????

[Kalamos]

Fascinating proposition: handweapons can come in handy when running low on ammo.
I wouldn't suggest relying on one alone, though.

With a handweapon you would be exposing yourself, and effectively allow hostiles to circle and surround you.
Swinging one requires energy, and you'd grow tired soon, even with extensive training.

A ranged weapon, on the other hand, allows you to pick targets and strike them when YOU want, where you want, when you want - without physically endangering yourself until the last possible moment.

I wouldn't suggest a katana anyway: either an axe or a shovel might fare better.
You need mass and striking power.
If we assume zombies feel no pain, it is useless to resort to sharp cutting objects. Better crush or maim them.

As a last ditch weapon, I'd carry a large knife [a tanto for japan lovers...].
You'd be fighting in very close quarters anyway, and you'd have that useful self-kill weapon should odds become too overwhelming.

Better yet... why not a nice chainsaw? 😀

 

[Janus4385]

Fascinating proposition: handweapons can come in handy when running low on ammo.
I wouldn't suggest relying on one alone, though.

With a handweapon you would be exposing yourself, and effectively allow hostiles to circle and surround you.
Swinging one requires energy, and you'd grow tired soon, even with extensive training.

A ranged weapon, on the other hand, allows you to pick targets and strike them when YOU want, where you want, when you want - without physically endangering yourself until the last possible moment.

I wouldn't suggest a katana anyway: either an axe or a shovel might fare better.
You need mass and striking power.
If we assume zombies feel no pain, it is useless to resort to sharp cutting objects. Better crush or maim them.

As a last ditch weapon, I'd carry a large knife [a tanto for japan lovers...].
You'd be fighting in very close quarters anyway, and you'd have that useful self-kill weapon should odds become too overwhelming.

Better yet... why not a nice chainsaw? 😀

I'll have to disagree on that kal, I don't know a thing about guns, but I know katanas quite well... An axe or a chainsaw might be good weapons, but they are no match for a katana(by the way, I am talking about a REAL katana, not a 2000 dollar copy, but a 12000 folds in forging katana), specially if it is accompanied with a wakizashi...

Besides, if you are going out, better go out in style 😎 ...

 

[BigNorm]

well, kal, in a comic book i'm reading called The Walking Dead, they have a hatchet as back up, which is best in my opinion.

chainsaw is a bad idea. as they shown in dawn of the dead, you can lose control of it, and cut up a friend.

in the game, i'm currently using the 5.7mm 20 round clip five seven gun as my primary weapon, it's great when we're really outnumbered, (4 vs. 20 in a somewhat small CS: Source map) when the server is full (12 vs. 20) i just use a .50 cal with 7 round clip, or the .357. wouldn't the .45 cal be more powerful than the .357?

 

[MistressValerie1]

The heavier and slower .45 has more momentum than the .357, but the .357 has more kinetic energy in foot-pounds because of its considerable speed. In the real world, they are about equally effective. The .45+P, a specialty loading, would be extremely powerful, about equal to a full-house 10mm load.

 

[Kalamos]

-> Janus.

Katanas [and cutting swords - as opposed to chopping swords] are best suited against "living" targets, where slicing capabilities and swordsmanship give an edge.

Zombies, on the other hand, are usually so slow and clumsy as to count as "static" targets.
Their flesh is usually sodden and soft, they feel little to no pain, and most vital strikes are ineffective.
You have to chop them into pieces.

Katanas are probably overkill against zombies - but they could fare admirably against ghouls... - and they might lack the mass to repel them.
With your first strike you manage to sever a limb or two, then, the shambling carcasses are on you.

You need a high-mass [or high-profile] weapon, to drive them back.
A katana would slice easily through rotten corpses - to the point of overpenetrating - but it would not knock them down.

That's why most high-velocity bullets would prove useless: you'd create a nice funnel-shaped cavity, but the zombie would keep moving.
You need something to release kinetic energy *against* your target, and shove it back.
That is... if you want to live to tell.
If you want to die a glorious samurai death... 😉


-> Bignorm.

Well... I wouldn't bring friends along - or I would have killed them long ago, before they could turn into zombies and...
Ach... this is all so wrong...
😀 😀 😀


About calibers' power, .357 M flies faster and straighter than a .45 ACP.
Shots deviation for .357 M is under 2 inches up to 60 yards, and bullets fly at sound speed.
Shots deviation for .45 ACP is much higher. Shots mantain a "linear" trajectory up to only 20 yards - and they usually travel at half sound's speed.

.357 M is smaller and nimbler than .45 ACP - "effective" ball size is 9mm vs 11mm.
Yes, a .357 M ball is about as large as a 9mm ball; that's why FN created a specialistic revolver, Barrakuda, with interchangable parts, capable of chambering both calibers.

About sheer kinetic power: .357 M goes from as low as 500J to as high as 1100J.
.45 ACP is usually affords a solid 550J - the same as a 9mm over a military handgun - but it really shines in suppressed firearms.
Since it is already subsonic to begin with [at least, non +P variants...] .45 ACP is one of the best bullet types for suppressed use - losing only about 100J [whereas 9mm and 5.7mm lose as much as 50% energy potential].

Sheer power alone is no measure for real bullets effectiveness.
Stopping power is.
While .357 can penetrate better than a .45 ACP, most .45s are better at knocking unarmored targets down - since they are heavier and larger.

That's why .45 ACP is usually disregarded in comparative vest tests.
Most civilian-sold combat vests are guaranteed to stop a 9mm with FMJ head, or a .357 M with soft or semijacketed head.
Only military level vests can stop smg and assault rifle rounds.

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Ah, lay the games off.
They de-sensitise people to violence, without giving a real combat background.

😉

 

[Janus4385]

No no no no Kal, you are getting me all wrong, if you read my previous post(post 70 on this thread), you'll get what I'm talking about... Oh hell, I'll save you some time so you don't have to go to the last page... I said that given a large amount of zombies, which is where I'd consider the katana to be the least effective, I'd go with a shotgun(or something alike), I'm not gonna face 30 zombies with any hand weapon on my own. Now, if I am facing a small number of zombies, say 2 or 3 at a time, I'd go with the katana, it should save me a lot of ammo for when I have to take down larger numbers... and I repeat, I'm talking about a real katana, a friend of mine has one, well, actually her father has one(22000 dollars, all I can do is drool when I see it), and trust me, it can easily cut a man in half, you wouldn't even have to make an effort, just strike with the edge straight and the sword does the rest for you... Besides, (given the scenario I mentioned with 2 or 3 zombies, maybe even 4) you cut the damn things head off and they are done for, also as the katana is quite light, you can move relatively freely so you can push the zombies body away with a kick after decapitating it(or just plainly cutting it in half, I can assure you that would be very very very easy)...

I have to point one thing out though, if you are going to use a katana, you'd better know how to use one, there is a very good reason why you train with wooden katanas(bamboo katanas) for a very long time, you could cut yourself real bad or even literally cut off one your own limbs with a wrong swing... Given the case you haven't ever touched a sword, then you are probaby better off with the shovel...

PS: isn't this interesting, the way we managed to turn this thread into a "In case you are ever facing zombie invasion" thread 😀 😀 😀 ...

 

[Kalamos]

I have to point one thing out though, if you are going to use a katana, you'd better know how to use one, there is a very good reason why you train with wooden katanas(bamboo katanas) for a very long time, you could cut yourself real bad or even literally cut off one your own limbs with a wrong swing... Given the case you haven't ever touched a sword, then you are probaby better off with the shovel...

PS: isn't this interesting, the way we managed to turn this thread into a "In case you are ever facing zombie invasion" thread 😀 😀 😀 ...

This is getting fairly surreal... 😀

That was *my* point: a katana is overkill vs zombies. It is meant to slice and sever - whereas most european blades [up to XVIII cent.] would probably chop and concuss.

But it lacks momentum. That's why you need to physically *kick* your target to push it back.
You'd have to shove it back even using a mace or an axe, anyway, but "finesse" swordsplay typically associated with a katana is lost against motionless targets impervious to pain.

We are also assuming zombies would retain "vitals" areas, so a beheading swing would effectively render them harmless. What if they were immune to those as well?
If they were mindless automatons they would not need a head anyway - even lopped off bits would crawl towards you.

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Mind you, I am aware of a true katana's maiming capabilities; samurai were reported to test their blades against convicted criminals, fallen foes and the hapless peasant...

And they could slice upwards, through the abdomen and split a man in two - severing several layers of soft and hard tissue: skin, fat, muscle, bones and organs.

Not the kind of feat you'd expect from most european blades - they were usually capable of crushing, rather than finely severing limbs off.

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Now, if I had to choose, I could bring along my mace [always trust the bludgeon], and my stout estoc. It can pierce, it can swing, and I can put up a decent defence with it.

I used to be fairly proficient with hand axes, when I was... er... younger, but I'd thrust something with a longer reach, against most undead threats.
Maybe a spear or even better any bill-like polearm.

Even an arquebus loaded with "mitraille" shots would do wonders against packs of zombies.
Somewhat a fire and forget weapon, meaning, you fire once and forget a second shot... but beggars can't be choosers in most horror flicks.

😀 😀 😀

 

[Janus4385]

Uh, well... I guess we'll have to wait for the zombie outbreak to test our theories, huh Kal... Anyway, I'd say we are fairly prepared LOL
I'm still sticking to my katana, good luck with your mace; and may we overcome the zombie threat, hope to see you still standing in the end buddy... LOL

This thread is fun...

 

[Kalamos]

Ah yes... it was a little something I bought in the whereabouts of Prague.
A little crude compared to italian weapons, but effective nonetheless.

And they advocate firearms... you're not a real man until you've tasted steel!

 

[TheChameleon]

I think for A zombie situation such as that, I would take 2 items. I would take a stout bludgeoning object... well, I take that back, our fire axe from the backyard. Yep. The Fire Axe, I could "open" doors at will, and I could hack through or bludgeon a zombie too. My other Item would have to be... Well, if we were in an open area, y'know, close quarters is taken care of, but from a distance... (Like, right out of axin' range 😀 haha) I'd be using a Mausers Model 98. Specifically, the KAR98K, its bolt action rounds are powerful, with lots of stopping power. It would probably take quite a few rounds to take out A zombie though... Anyway, those are my choices! If there is any forseeable problem with the KAR98K/Axe Combination, lemme know :-D

 

[Kalamos]

Bolt action rifles are slower loading though...
Dunno why, but I'd take an UMP 45 loaded with HP rounds.

 

[TheChameleon]

I love the bolt action, plus, its a big enough gun to hit people with. The UMP is nice... I think if I took a pistol, it would be a .38 revolver. Just cuz it would be cute.

 

[Lucifer1]

Ok im on parole and a pistol would be out of the question but when I went to the local Sports Authority to buy a NY Giants shirt I saw hunting rifles. Now maybe since a rifle aint a concealed weapon I could apply for the permit. What hunting rifle could you stick in your mouth pull the trigger and not have to worry about missing and looking like the Batman villian Two-Face for the rest of your life? Any deer hunters on here?

 

[Kalamos]

Er...

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Right.


EDIT:

Ah, about hunting rifles... I'd go for any gauge 12 with 00 pellets.
Maybe on a nice Paradox barrel.

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Then again, zombies might get us first.

 

[TheChameleon]

I concur with Kalamos' statement.

 

[Kalamos]

I stated another addition. Or added another statement.

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Paradox barrels all the way.

 

[Lucifer1]

12 Gauge? Oh wait you said the other one huh? Hmmmmmm! Hunting license,hunting license? :weird:

 

[Andrej]

Crvena Zastava M-57 (7.62x25mm) is the best.

 

[Kalamos]

For those wondering...

-> http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crvenazastavam57762mm3xf.jpg

 

[Faramir]

the assasins calibre of choice is a 25 to 32, as it bounces around once inside the skull.

 

[BigNorm]

Crvena Zastava M-57 (7.62x25mm) is the best.

a pistol that uses a rifle round??? nice. 😎

 

[Andrej]

It's not a rifle round. 7.62x39, 7.62x51 (NATO), 7.62x54R, and 7.62x63 (30-06) are rifle rounds. The Russian Tokarev TT33 uses 7.62x25, along with some Russian and Yugoslav SMG-s.

Kalamos, I see you have found my blog (pipak.blog.hr). I'm sorry - it's mostly on Croatian, but there are some gun pics if anyone is interested.

 

[Kalamos]

I guess I was lucky. 🙂

 

[BigNorm]

It's not a rifle round. 7.62x39, 7.62x51 (NATO), 7.62x54R, and 7.62x63 (30-06) are rifle rounds. The Russian Tokarev TT33 uses 7.62x25, along with some Russian and Yugoslav SMG-s.

Kalamos, I see you have found my blog (pipak.blog.hr). I'm sorry - it's mostly on Croatian, but there are some gun pics if anyone is interested.

oh, ok. that gets a little confusing. how large is the round? give a camparison if you can.

i always thought those auto-pistols were cool, but not good in a tight spot or in a "zombie" situation.

if you like the outnumbered zombie like situation, and have counterstrike: source, find a server that says zombie invasion (or something zombie) and you can join the anti-terrorist team, and on average, there are roughly 5 people against 20 or more zombies, who take up the terrorist team, but look like zombies. newer version make them go without knives, and can kill you quickly, so your always falling back and forced to use tactics. some servers make you only use pistols, other allow you to use any weapon. it's loads of fun, and you always have to watch your ammo capacity. i'd play it more if Cs: source didn't make my computer crash.

 

[Kalamos]

If it is anything like a 7.63 Mauser, it should be about 1.5 inches tall and less than 1 cm wide, at the rim.