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Countdown to Daytona
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lk70 said:
Was my pleasure and joy. I am always open to learning and nothing like classes on Nascar from the Queen. It was fun day. Congratualations to those pulling for the 48 team. So we got one down and 35 to go. Like Kered said, it may be a really fun season with two fast cars 20 and 5 a litte perturbed with each other.
Probably 6/8 crashes, didn't count. They really didn't have "the big one" like they normally do at each Restrictor Plate race. Early on Carl Edwards 99 and a couple others went out but acutally a pretty tame race in terms of crashes. At least IMHO.
lk70 said:
Now, is that what you thought when the 24 car went into the wall with the 20 car? Just curious. Anyway, we got a California race up and coming and the feel good story, Kirk Shelerding, or something like that, made around $272,000 and can hopefully get out of debt and race again.
PokeyinMich said:
BUSTED! Hee hee. Ok, I'll admit to allowing the little devil on my shoulder to win over the little angel- just for a minute. Anytime the 24 gets dented I'm pleased. Sick, I know. I'm seeking help, really. 😀
Well, I was hoping for a Jr. win but top 10, considering he was fighting a push all race, isn't too bad.
Tony has nerve to talk about people bumping and to do what he did was way out of control. If... IF someone rode him into the wall or spun him then bumping someone to get back is one thing but to ride someone all the way down to the grass, with the entire field behind them, was dangerous. That was the equivalent of a three lane change on a highway! I thought he grew up a bit, but I guess not.
I'm glad there wasn't a major pileup. I'm still on the fence with plate racing. I understand speeds could possibly get ridiculous but the entire field was bunched together for most of the race. It's like watching IROC.
On a down note, not that there is anything left to being "stock" on the cars, I heard that all the front ends will be the same in the years to come, to even things out even further. Sad.
Tony has nerve to talk about people bumping and to do what he did was way out of control. If... IF someone rode him into the wall or spun him then bumping someone to get back is one thing but to ride someone all the way down to the grass, with the entire field behind them, was dangerous. That was the equivalent of a three lane change on a highway! I thought he grew up a bit, but I guess not.
I'm glad there wasn't a major pileup. I'm still on the fence with plate racing. I understand speeds could possibly get ridiculous but the entire field was bunched together for most of the race. It's like watching IROC.
On a down note, not that there is anything left to being "stock" on the cars, I heard that all the front ends will be the same in the years to come, to even things out even further. Sad.
phfttklr said:On a down note, not that there is anything left to being "stock" on the cars, I heard that all the front ends will be the same in the years to come, to even things out even further. Sad.
I'm kind of hoping the "car of tomorrow" will bring back the days of decent side by side racing. We might see an improvement on the plate tracks too, since it's supposed to be less aerodynamic. I don't have a lot of info though- I'm just spewing the hype Nascar is feeding me.
From what I heard, they are suppose to be block like. Almost like the regular PC world, they can't handle the complaints every year from the manufacturers about the other teams having an advantage. I dream of days like the 70's...when I was really, really young 😉 I guess too much money is invovled to have only 10 cars or less on the lead lap, every race.
Looking for thoughts and comments on the Chad Knaus suspension and fine?
Was Jimmie's victory tainted?
While "creative engineering" has been a long standing tradition in Nascar, does Knaus go too far or does he get a bum rap because he's with Hendrick?
For those who don't know the details but want to:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-nascar-knaussuspended&prov=ap&type=lgns
Was Jimmie's victory tainted?
While "creative engineering" has been a long standing tradition in Nascar, does Knaus go too far or does he get a bum rap because he's with Hendrick?
For those who don't know the details but want to:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-nascar-knaussuspended&prov=ap&type=lgns
I know rule bending has been around forever in NASCAR but any kind of bending or flat out cheating should be treated hard handed. Any car found not to be within specs should be taken out of competition and a backup car should be brought in. As I mentioned in an earlier post, NASCAR has been modifying the cars to make everything even, so how can any alteration be considered even? Putting someone at the back of the field doesn't do too much to deter them, if you have a good car. They need to take serious points off the team, in order to scare them into not taking risks. This will also cut out the thoughts of who may be getting away with rule bending and who feels they are in the middle of a witch hunt.
lk70 said:
I think the penalty was applicable to the incident. I think we all agree that something needs to be done to allow cars to race and be able to pass. There is always weaker cars and stronger ones and the attempts to make them even just don't bode well for the sport. They wanted to talk so much about bump drafting and aggressive driving but then put restrictor plates on the vehicles to make them all go the same speed (185 +-) for 500 miles 3 wide part of the time. The only option they have is to Bristol thier way around someone.
I wouldn't have much problem if they went back to making them drive the vehicles off the showroom floor the way they used to. Allow them to make them safe as possible and soup up as much as they can without changing the factory equipment and line up and race. Probably way too much going backwards but I would like to see something change.
I think they are talking about putting small plastic tubes in the front bomper to cut down on the bumping, but that is just a product of the plate race, IMHO. Knaus is really very good at performing on the edge of legal, and obviously getting caught some. I imagine they all do it to an extent.
Hm. Thanks for the responses. Not really what I expected. I like what Pokey says about going back to showroom cars. Never gonna happen of course, but a nice thought (more mods for safety though please.)
Before the 500, there was a show on Speed. Dave Despain on Assigment. He's replaced Allen Bestwick on Inside Nextel Cup and has always hosted the Windtunnel. ANYWAY...he went back and documented the beginnings of racing at Daytona (like on the sand, not the track). And as you were seeing footage of these big blocky cars going around a dirt track, he talked about how some driver modified the fuel line somehow..can't remember the details.. but the point was Dave said this was the beginning of another tradition in stock car racing- cheating.
I was chatting with slacker about how Nascar and its drivers are getting so far away from the roots. It bugs me a lot, but of course is a necessary thing in order for the sport to grow. Personally I liked it better when NOT so many people liked it.
I'm no fan of Chad Knaus, JJ, or anyone else with Hendrick, but with Nascar jamming these cars so close together, I just wonder if the creative engineering should be embraced by the fans as something to differentiate while recognizing the tradition of it all? Remember folks, stock car racing came about from moonshiners souping up their cars to outrun the law. Our tradition is in disreputable behavior.
Before the 500, there was a show on Speed. Dave Despain on Assigment. He's replaced Allen Bestwick on Inside Nextel Cup and has always hosted the Windtunnel. ANYWAY...he went back and documented the beginnings of racing at Daytona (like on the sand, not the track). And as you were seeing footage of these big blocky cars going around a dirt track, he talked about how some driver modified the fuel line somehow..can't remember the details.. but the point was Dave said this was the beginning of another tradition in stock car racing- cheating.
I was chatting with slacker about how Nascar and its drivers are getting so far away from the roots. It bugs me a lot, but of course is a necessary thing in order for the sport to grow. Personally I liked it better when NOT so many people liked it.
I'm no fan of Chad Knaus, JJ, or anyone else with Hendrick, but with Nascar jamming these cars so close together, I just wonder if the creative engineering should be embraced by the fans as something to differentiate while recognizing the tradition of it all? Remember folks, stock car racing came about from moonshiners souping up their cars to outrun the law. Our tradition is in disreputable behavior.
I actually watched the Dave Despain throwback show as well, really interesting to me. I'm pretty sure we are going to have to accept the fact that all teams are going to do whatever it takes to be fast and win a race. The sponsors almost demand that their rides complete and when the money is that huge then, I guess I would do whatever I could as well. I would love to see racing as it was, but it is as it is now. Actually, it is very interesting now, we really don't know who is going to win from week to week. The bad part is the single teams are having a hard time competing with the multiple teams because of the ability to test more and the big teams obviously have more resources. Still, we have a race Sunday at 3:30 PM and as soon as I get back from the bike swap show at the Michigan State fairgrounds I'll be watching.
Rats! Very mixed emotions here. Tony was looking SO good then blew an engine, so I'm disappointed. BUT young Carl Edwards drove like the master he's destined to be, and that was great to watch.
All in all, I had a lovely time watching as usual.
MAN I LOVE RACIN'!
All in all, I had a lovely time watching as usual.
MAN I LOVE RACIN'!
kered
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OK. You go first in case she's feeling mean.PokeyinMich said:OK Kered, pal, it looks like the Queen is doing ok even the the big orange car had problems. I'm going to come out now and make sure its OK.
That way I can run for help while she's beating the snot out of you. 😀YOU GUYS! 
Certainly it's been well established that I'm always a happy and chipper kind of gal?
I'm looking forward to Vegas where I'm sure Tony will do fine. Plus which, there are plenty of races in the year.
Maybe you should watch out for me if Gordon ever gets his act together. I'll be madder than a wet cat if that happens. Freakin' Hendrick.
Certainly it's been well established that I'm always a happy and chipper kind of gal?
I'm looking forward to Vegas where I'm sure Tony will do fine. Plus which, there are plenty of races in the year.
Maybe you should watch out for me if Gordon ever gets his act together. I'll be madder than a wet cat if that happens. Freakin' Hendrick.
I believe the way he is running currently he will win a race pretty soon on the cup circuit. You keep pulling Isabeau, you may just pull him thru to a win. He is one of the special drivers over the last several years.
