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Being On An Even Keel If Things Go Great,. Or Terrible..

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I'm going to post something that I probably should have.. a while ago, before this thread sprialed out of control. I have no idea if this will help.. or pour more gas on it.

About.. a week ago. I sent my dad an email THANKING HIM for all he does for me. The apartment, etc. You know what he told me.., That hes my father, and he wants to help, and that I dont have to thank him.

Another thing: I expressed my concern about something bad happening between us because we have a fight. An estrangement, he takes my money, boots me from the apartment. His reply to me was that any fight we have is seperate from that.

Also,. about Barney: My dad himself says that he thinks Barney is being an ass, and that my dad wants to see where Barney is in six months from now, considering his history. My dad also said that there is no way Barney can work with/for us. Thats a tacit agreement we have.

I think what I really need to do is two things. As long as I';m airing, I've already done one of them.

Instead of airing my shit here, to get threads like this. Go to the source. I just emailed Barney and told him his attitude toward me is pissing me off, and that he needs to find time to spend, and not consider only everyone else. I await his reply.

As for my dad: I'm going to have a discussion with him openly expressing that we have missed so many years, and that I want us to spend more time together. Hes semi retired now, so he has the time. This was one issue my mom was always concerned about, and why she agreed with my decision not to see his family, fearing they would be more important, and I'm less important.

So, there, going to the source, and dealing with the situation, instead of bitching. My business is just about ready to launch, hopefully, and I believe I have a track for a job, so.. I'm dealing with everything.

In spite of this, I;'m sure I will be ripped some more anyway. I just wanted to put it out there.

I disagree with some minor points in all of that, but, overall?

GOOD FUCKING JOB. I'M PROUD OF YOU.
 
Thank you. I'm proud of you too. For that, you get taken off ignore. '

One very important point. God my mom told me I'm bad at this. The bottom line of why i'm so pissed off with Barney.

I havent posted this yet, but, I feel used by him, let me explain.

January 6th was the 30th anniversary of his dad's death. He was understandably upset, and asked me to cancel a call with my friend Adam. I did, because I wanted to be a supportive friend. I know i'll probably be a crying nutcase this April 4th.

I was his shoulder to cry on when he was.. jobless.. womanless, and crying about his dad, but now its like I dont exist. My dad himself noticed this, and commented to me on it.

I know I bitch a lot,. (See another admission) but if someone has to vent about a problem, I also listen.

I dont believe in developing a superior attitude toward friends just because you happen to have a job and they dont. Considering his history, what happens if hes unemployed in three months from now, and I have my job and business going? Will I act superior to him? Nooooooo. I know it can be taken away in a heartbeat.

I hope I didnt go down again, but I wanted to explain that. I hope my points are understood.
 
Which is exactly why you need to cut ties with him if his response to your email is anything less than understanding.
 
Just so I can get attacked again. (I dont fucking care anymore) Here's the latest about Barney.

Who attacked you? Stop being so sensitive because people are telling you to do some work at changing your life.

He came up here tonight, to see me for a few minutes, and promptly informed me that he made plans with his other best friend for this weekend.

That's not the latest. That's the usual. Tell us something new like about how you ended this relationship.

As for my father:

Newsflash to you kis: When a parent hurts you, you never get over it. my former best friend's sister is a mutlimillionaire, and told me many times through the years the hurt she felt at her parents treatment of her.

Also: How have I not "Sucked it up" with my father? I remind you, on the day my mom was diagnosed. (In caps to everyone understands) HE WROTE ME AND TOLD ME HE WAS GOING TO HELP ME OUT.

Since the death of my mom: Abuse from: His brother, his cousins, and him. Even his ignoring me is a form of abuse, he has time for everyone else but me.

Paying money for someone does not make their actions not hurt any less.

Seriously? How old are you and how long have you lived with / with support of one parent or the other? Holy shit. Please stop with the complaining because in this day and age, most people really can't stomach a middle aged man complaining about being supported by his father in fancy ass Manhattan and calling it abuse. You were spoiled as a kid clearly or else you wouldn't be so damn ungrateful. It's a slap in the face to people who have to take any job they can to make ends meet or have to deal with REAL abuse. Fuck, if being "ignored" is abuse, I'm sure a lot of people would take it over the real abuse they get every day. You have no idea what you have and that's why nothing is good enough for you.

Thin skinned? Er no. If I was thin skinned, I couldnt have gone back with him.

I dont expect what I'm saying to mean anything to anyone. It doesnt matter. This thread is my fault. Its like an alcoholic who forgets their last hangover. Well i'll remember this one, vividly.

Yeah you could have. It's easy to live off other people versus working yourself. But honestly. You whine more about things other people would give anything to have than anyone I know. Do you see an analyst? Because your line of thinking is really messed up.

Edit: Surfing the forum here, I see the "what have you learned this week" thread started by Saeria. Why on earth would you plug this thread in another thread if you did not enjoy the drama? You keep responding and even trying to get more people involved by posting about it in other threads, yet you say you're being attacked here. What kind of sense does that make?
 
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Mairead, your reply doesnt surprise me. One reply to you.

About Barney: Most people who know the situation with Barney understand how I feel. From them I'm getting "Take him for what hes worth, and find other friends.". I'm seeing this.

In regard to my feelings about my father.... money and personal feelings are two different things. If someone gives you "money", it doesnt necessarially mean that the relationship is good. I've already said: I appreciate, and have expressed my appreciation to him, for his helping me out through this period. I come from a whole different world than the whole "hard assed you're 18, and the parents can tell you to fuck yourself attitude". In my realm, parents ante up to make their children's dreams come true, as does other family. Not that its anyone's business, but.. my grandparents lived in an apt that they really couldnt afford to live in. Know who paid for that apartment, and largely supported their lives? MY MOM AND ME! I was. 16 to 19 at the time, and the only reason I stopped doing it is because when my parents split, I had to start paying for my own car.

What I have to accomplish will take time. My bar for my life will be where I am at the end of 2013. Last year was essentially a lost year. I was emotionally drained from dealing with my mom's illness and death.

As I said, it doesnt matter. I've learned my lesson. In addition to doing what I have to do.. not posting threads like this will save me a lot of trouble.
 
Not that its anyone's business, but..

My aunt the artist received a LOT of help, emotionally, financially, etc, from my mom, my grandparents, and me, when my aunt was an adult, in her 40s, at the same age I'm at, and older. Yet, my aunt continually expressed to all of us her feelings that we all ignored her, and discounted her feelings. I dont see this as so, but lets say her feelings are.. 1% true, 50% true, 100% true. The whole of we helped her financially, doesnt erase her feelings of being ignored, or counted last. When I discussed my feelings about my father with her, she can see that the money and the time spent are two seperate things.

I'm not expecting this to mean anything. but.. when it happened to another member of my family in this way, we didnt react in the same manner as some of the reactions I've had here.
 
To be fair, it's hard to say that you're ignoring someone while putting money into their pocket.

Unless it's like, on some automatic transfer.

You're still getting money from someone, at any rate. If nothing else, you have to admit that they view you as important enough to take money out of their own pocket and give it to you and ask nothing in return. In today's world, that's a pretty rare occurrence.

And hell, maybe the money is their way of expressing how important you are to them. Some people just aren't great at being 'there' for people. Money is a convenient way around that social speedbump.
 
Bothersome, I see what you're saying, and I appreciate your expressing it in a civil manner.

My aunt tells me much the same thing: She says that my dad is a businessman who hasnt been good at emotions, and that if he truly didnt care, he would have hung up on me the morning my mom was diagnosed with the brain cancer. She says he expresses his emotion with helping with money. I think she may be right.
 
On the subject of Barney:

My dad came by today. What happened there isnt relavant to this discussion, but I did post it in a blog.

My dad's feeling is that I'm obsessing about Barney far too much, and that I simply need to get off my butt, and make more friends. Additionally, considering Barney's job history, my dad feels that Barney's arrogance about his new job is unfounded, and that its quite possible Barney will get fired.

For now, I'm just going to let it sit.
 
Seriously? How old are you and how long have you lived with / with support of one parent or the other? Holy shit. Please stop with the complaining because in this day and age, most people really can't stomach a middle aged man complaining about being supported by his father in fancy ass Manhattan and calling it abuse. You were spoiled as a kid clearly or else you wouldn't be so damn ungrateful. It's a slap in the face to people who have to take any job they can to make ends meet or have to deal with REAL abuse.

Annie Hall, you are right on the $.$$
This is a man in his mid-40's who refuses to take responsibility for his own life.
He's playing the blame game.
He's been handed every tool imaginable (free college education) but still offers excuses as to why he can't work and provide for himself.

You ask him to "Man Up"... and while that's a reasonable and expected request, it's just something he's never had to do, and something he's incapable of. Think about it. It's like a bird who's been in the nest and refuses to fly.

He's always been dependent on Daddy, one way or another, hates Daddy, but has to keep up a front in order to keep the $.$$ flowing to survive.
Somehow, he thinks he deserves this.
I can feel your outrage, I really can.

This is a guy who will never "Man Up".
He's an excuse maker.
I think that's obvious.
 
The usual bashing by cold that never gets GR.

I have two words for you, cold. Bite me. You know nothing.

Another point to both cold and Annie:

While Leo has expressed disagreement with me on points, he was very civilzed while my mom had her illness, and when she died. That to me shows character. Neither of you ever expressed any condolences or decency to me during that whole ordeal, but you both did know how to post your evil predictions how I would end up destitute and such.

THAT is what is most pathetic.
 
again, it's all about you and Mom and Dad and your Aunts and your paternal grandfather and your ex-best friend and Barney and Adam and ... ad nausea.

My God, can you just once in your life "MAN UP" and make a decision on your own?

That's all we're asking for.
Growth. Progress. Something. Anything.

Just ... Not ... Excuses.

That's why we're frustrated, Mitch.
You're spinning your wheels and casting blame in all directions.

You have people that are rooting for you, and you're subsequently fighting with them because they don't sympathize.

It makes it hard to stay on your side when all you do is nitpick and make excuses.

If/When you enter the real work world, your BOSS won't care about your excuses, your past your issues, etc.
Really, he/she WON'T

We don't need to have to have a crystal ball to see you'll have major, MAJOR problems with that, and why shouldn't you?
You can't seem to get along with anyone, even your forum friends or your immediate family, and there's probably a good reason for that.

Take it for what it's worth, man, but you really need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and make an honest assessment as to why you're in your current position, w/o blaming others.

Think about it, instead of lashing out or complaining to the Mods.

It's your life, Mitch.
You're supposed to be in charge of it.
 
cold, once again, you know nothing about my work situation or my plans.

My "boss", as you say, is going to be partially someone I know well, and partially myself, because, I'm starting my own company, the details of which I will not post.

Maybe its you who should "Man up". Your posts are nothing but vicious slander.

"You will end up homeless and penniless".

"Your father and you will end up estranged."

All posts by YOU. Real well wishes, huh?

I dont "complain to the mods", as you say. I, for one, believe your posts are nothing but vicious, constant harassment for YEARS, and should be removed, but, that is the mods call to make, not mine.

THIS is rooting for someone to do well.

"Follow your dreams, and reach for the moon".

THAT is wishes to do well. NOT the malvolent posts you have made.

Its pointless to argue. You will never be civilized, and your viciousness will never be removed.
 
cold, once again, you know nothing about my work situation or my plans.

My "boss", as you say, is going to be partially someone I know well, and partially myself, because, I'm starting my own company, the details of which I will not post.

Maybe its you who should "Man up". Your posts are nothing but vicious slander.

"You will end up homeless and penniless".

"Your father and you will end up estranged."

All posts by YOU. Real well wishes, huh?

I dont "complain to the mods", as you say. I, for one, believe your posts are nothing but vicious, constant harassment for YEARS, and should be removed, but, that is the mods call to make, not mine.

THIS is rooting for someone to do well.

"Follow your dreams, and reach for the moon".

THAT is wishes to do well. NOT the malvolent posts you have made.

Its pointless to argue. You will never be civilized, and your viciousness will never be removed.

OK, Mitch, you got it:

"Follow your dreams ... Reach for the Stars!"

What am I here ... Casey Kasim?!

Sorry, but it's not everyone's job on this forum is to be your personal cheerleader/life coach/sympathizer.

In general, no one likes a professional whiner/crybaby/complainer, and that's what you've become.

Banking on a job or business you haven't even launched or come close to starting pretty much amounts to shitting in one hand and wishing in the other.
Guess which will fill up first?!

I must agree with Annnie Hall's assessment that you're a rich, spoiled kid who hasn't "Manned Up" or even grown up at all, is relying on Daddy's $ to get you thru the day, is totally ungrateful for all he has done for you, but can't see it,and chooses to complain instead.

I'll stand by my previous comments.

Think about it.
Where would you be right now w/o your father's support?!

Seriously ... where?

I would like an honest answer instead of deflection, diversion and blame.

Put that big college-educated brain to work for once, instead of an angry knee-jerk reaction.

I think we'd all appreciate an honest answer for once.
 
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I dont have to answer to you or anyone. I seriously want to know where the GR is here.,

Quote "Attack one member on a regular basis".

You've done this for YEARS.

It has NOTHING to do with a job or business that hasnt launched yet. Read my profile. Sales. I'm a jewelry and antiques sales person. Not that its any of your fucking business, troll, but, I have made as much money doing that this year, as I would have at any office job. I have other deals in the works, as well as the business.

I seriously wish someone in power would tell you to get the fuck out of this thread.

Fine, I'll give you an answer, k, and then I want you to give me an answer.

FIRST, my father invited me to come back to NY to live here, and offered to pay for this for a time. When I thanked him, he said it isnt necessary.

Was he not paying for it, I'd still be in PA, in my old apt, at a job down there, with people I know, with a roommate in my apartment!

There. I answered your question. Now, I want you to answer mine, okay.

Why have you engaged in nothing but vicious troll slander attacks for years, clearly against forum rules?

Answer me THAT!

GR: "Attack one member on a regular basis".

Its not only me. I've seen many of your other posts, all attacks.
 
Mitch. Look at the message and not the way its being delivered.

He's essentially telling you what everybody else told you. His predictions aren't attacks. They are what you me or anybody else can do, random educated guesses of the future. If you don't want those predictions to come true you've gotta do the stuff that has been discussed in this thread and many other threads.

That's really all there is to it.
 
Leo, once you're agreeing with him I have to give you ignore.

"His predictions arent attacks".

Others, who have read this thread objectively view it the same way I do.

"Random educated guesses of the future".

He knows where I'm gonna be in a year.. five years.. etc.

EVERYONE FUCKING KNOWS WHAT MY PLANS ARE.

This thread was originally meant as discussion about an arrogant friend

Newsflash: for all of you,.

I never told my father about this site, until this out of control fucking thread. He sat down at my comp yesterday,. and wanted to know how the fuck a thread about a friend turned into an attack on me? His advice to me: Get the fuck out!

His prediction isnt an attack: You are so short sighted, Leo. Either that or delusional.

He was su supportive and said so many kind words during my mom's illness and death.

I have a random educated guess about him.

If his demaeanor is in "The Real World" anything like it is on this forum, one day he is going to get himself into serious fucking trouble.

Hows that for a "Random Educated Guess".
 
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One other thing:

For everyone who thinks they fucking know:

About parents not helping children:

I've mentioned my ex best friend's multimillionaire sister on here.

Does anyone KNOW HOW she got to me that way.

HER PARENTS GAVE HER.. $250,000 A LONG TIME AGO TO START HER NOW MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS.

Fortunately for her, her business became mega successfui. Even in spite of that, her parents had to puil teeth to get the loan back, and I was told they actually had to threaten to sue her before she paid it off. . The sister now lives in a huge mansion, and basically shuns her parents, while employing her husband's family.

The reason her mother hates me, is that the mother is bitter and feels I showed the sister the way through the estrangement from my father. That is why she had to pressure my ex best friend to end the 30 year friendship.

What you all dont get is: My dad doesnt do bottomless pits. I wasnt here but a minute before he inquired about my plans. If I wasnt starting a business, hadnt already made enough money to sustain myself for the year, and wouldnt have a job to get me through, he would have left me in Lancaster,.

Even when I get the business started and incorporated, or even when/if I meet a girl, does anyone fucking think I'd post about it here? I'd get the same usual attacks from cold, and it would be judged "Not a violation of rules".

What the fuck ever. My mom told me I have one problem. I dont learn my lesson. The Demonic Letter thread from 18 months ago should have, but this definitely does. Once advice about a friend turns into this free for all by the same fucking person, and that person isnt dealt with, its time never to post anything here again.
 
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Back to the ORIGINAL topic of the thread, my situation with Barney, instead of all the side bullshit that has gone on here.

Barney just called me. He said he knows we need to talk. We're going to lunch at 11am today.; I want to talk this through with him. I'm looking to expand my life, not lose another friendship of 20 plus years. The difference with this situation and my ex best friend is that with Barney, he doesnt have family members pressuring him to end things with me. I'm going to express how I feel to him, and tell him he needs to make time for our friendship.
 
Mitch, I may not have expressed my condolences in terms of your mother's cancer or death, but I definitely never predicted anything about your being destitute. Forgive me, Mitch, for not hanging on your every blog post, every thread post, every minute detail of your life. Death of a parent is obviously something hard to deal with, but seriously, you have got to stop taking everything as an attack.

My last post was posted prior to reading that you had sent Barney an email. That shows some kind of progress, I believe, in managing your relationships with people.

However, the rest? I still stand by. Your happiness is yours to control and until you start being assertive with your life, instead of allowing others to control it, you will not be happy.

That's all I gotta say. I wish you well, but I suspect there will be numerous threads and blogs like this to come, as there have been for many years.

You will never be destitute with a family that supports you.
 
Mairead, your preaching to me is positively comical. You are just a absolute fucking maven on how everyone should live life? A sassy 25 year old? I think we should all just take after you.

I have to take responsibility? Maybe YOU DO to learn how to be a civilized human being on this forum. You never posted a word of condolence when my mom was terminally ill or died, yet you know how to jump right in on threads like this

Not that its any of your fucking business, but, my father offered this to me as a temporary situation because he didnt follow through on his promise to pay for grad school. Trust me, hes not one to go on endlessly helping me. In fact, when I get my business up and running, I offered him a percentage, and he said he doesnt want it.

Everyone has different circumstances, capabilities in life. I laugh when mavens like you and cold who think you know it all tell people to grow up. You both know nothing about anything. I think you should both grow up and take some lessons about how to be civilized decent human beings. That seems to be missing from both of you.
 
Just gonna point out that you are the one that has now lowered yourself to a level of name calling.

Civilized indeed.
 
I didnt call you any names. I just said that the tone of your posts and your preaching is uncivilized. That is not "name calling".
 
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