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Marriage.. Relationship.., No..

Mitchell.

Once again, you are completely missing the point that people are trying to make.

-T
 
I'm going up to NY for Mother's Day, to spend time with my father, his wife, friends of ours, etc. I'm sure it will be very tough, it being the first Mother's Day without my mom. I guarantee though, no matter what happens the weekend I'm there, I will not post it here. If I talk about it being a tough day. I cried, it was awful, etc, I'll get posts from some of the wonderful people who have so often attacked me, and then be told its not an attack.

Just whatever already. I'm biding my time until I leave Lancaster. After that, I know things will change.

Mitch
 
I'm going up to NY for Mother's Day, to spend time with my father, his wife, friends of ours, etc. I'm sure it will be very tough, it being the first Mother's Day without my mom. I guarantee though, no matter what happens the weekend I'm there, I will not post it here. If I talk about it being a tough day. I cried, it was awful, etc, I'll get posts from some of the wonderful people who have so often attacked me, and then be told its not an attack.

Just whatever already. I'm biding my time until I leave Lancaster. After that, I know things will change.

Mitch

I really want to violate the GD and show you what an attack is right now.

That being said... YOU JUST POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR LIFE.... THEN SAID YOU WON'T POST MORE INFORMATION ON IT. Are you a fucking movie trailer? Are you teasing the ending by saying you won't give it to us when everybody here knows you probably will?

What is the point of disclosing your personal information and follow it up with "I won't disclose my personal information"?????

What? Why? Explain. Please answer that question.
 
I really want to violate the GD and show you what an attack is right now.

That being said... YOU JUST POSTED SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR LIFE.... THEN SAID YOU WON'T POST MORE INFORMATION ON IT. Are you a fucking movie trailer? Are you teasing the ending by saying you won't give it to us when everybody here knows you probably will?

What is the point of disclosing your personal information and follow it up with "I won't disclose my personal information"?????

What? Why? Explain. Please answer that question.

As I said before.

I think he likes the constant attention that the forum can provide. Even when the conversation moved away from him he tries to steer it back to himself ..... Positive attention negative attention it doesn't matter. Anything is preferable than the loneliness he no doubt creates in his own life by blaming everyone for his life situation. But even here it's gotten old. This is why.
GQ
 
Sometimes people say things when they are exasperated. Thats what happened with that particular post,

Mitch
 
Dear GQguy,

I appreciate your sensibility. I can literally write entire posts based off of all of your responses.

I'm sure Mitch thinks these threads are about him but they're not. If he left the forum and another guy/girl came here complaining about their life, blamed everything on everyone else and wasn't willing to do what we've all done to make our lives better, we'd try and convince them too to take that first step towards independence. It would start off nice, then terse, then blunt then annoyed if the person persisted on blame and excuses. It would go to encouragement as the person took steps toward that independence and progress.

This is why I get frustrated with all of these repeat threads. It's like you said, there's an actually formula for how these threads go. I avoid these threads like the plague because the forum is now overrun with them. And its frustrating as all hell when good, solid advice is provided and blatantly ignored. I usually don't comment on these threads at all. What is the point?

The theme of many of your threads:

You: A complaint or something negative but perfectly within yourcontrol

TMF: Well intentioned advice, great advice. Mediocre advice coming from numerous years of experience and spanning all demographics

You: Excuse as to why noneof the advice will work. Not even a try.

You: Change the subject to blame a family member, a friend.

TMF: A well intentioned member gives blunt advice.

You: Go off on them as being a troll

TMF: Member tries to get you back on target to solve the problem in the thread title

You: An excuse or blame.

TMF: Take accountability and do what it takes to move on.

You: "I should never have opened my self up to attack, this thread will go away soon and I won't post another one like it again"

TMF: *Sigh* oo0O (we're all thinking, he still doesn't get that he is responsible for his life. Not dad, not mom, not best friend, not driver, not aunts, not uncle....but Mitch!)

This is the biggest broken record album of the year. But why do we keep responding to these threads?

Part of it is wanting to see him make it. He's not a bad guy. Just clueless, naive and sheltered. We think that "this post will get to him, and he'll get it. he'll finally take control of his life".

This is exactly. No one truly wishes bad upon Mitchell, but any form of slight disagreement is considered "attacking" This is what makes it all about the attention. Thread after thread, post after post, its all the same thing. People here are trying help Mitchell, not hinder, but we're just going to keep going through the same cycle over and over again. They start with "this post is not about me" (but it is) or "I know I'm leaving myself wide open for trouble with this thread." (which he is) and then there's this uproar when things go sour in the same way they always do. I just don't understand it at all.

When I see a sensible post like yours (and we've seen many of them over the months) that's met with this aversion, it makes me really sad. Because every time I read something like that I think "Maybe Mitchell will just accept this advice, just this one time" but it never happens. And so the cycle goes around again.

The TMF has just become a venting ground, which then seems to turn into a battleground when Mitchell hears something that he doesn't like, no matter if it was posted with the best of intentions. Even if its good, solid, helpful advice. It's met with either excuses or accusations. WHY?

Being a man. Seeing a man not living life to the fullest. Being a man is great! Scratch that....being master of your own destiny is great! This is not gender specific. Being in control of what you do, and what you do with your life is a liberating thing. It's what life is all about. Seeing someone miss out on that is very sad and depressing.

THIS! It's so incredibly depressing to see. Although its becoming more and more clear that this is someone who just doesn't want any of these things. I would love to see Mitchell grab life by the horns one day.

I'm not saying you're a bad person.....You're very nice! But this attitude is toxic man.

I can't bold this statement enough.

And I suppose this post will also be labelled as an "attack" although I like think I've spent my time being just an observer.
 
This is my reply to GQ's post, and TT's.

First, GQ, I'm glad you think I'm nice. So are you.

As I said before, many times, this thread was ill advised,. I cant do anything about that.

I know that GQ's advice has been well meaning. Even if hes been blunt, and I havent always agreed with him, he doesnt post it as an attack.

I feel far differently about the "advice" given by both coldneck, and DAJT. GQ was mega supportive to me throughout my mom;s illness, and when she died, and I appreciate it, GQ. Neither cold, nor DAJT made any supportive statements whatsoever. cold posted one attack after the next, predicting that my father and I will end up estranged again, when there is nothing to indicate that, and DAJT predicted I would end up homeless. Very nice.

Bottom line.. I've figured it out.. I think.

They talk about PTSD after a traumatic event in one's life, and I truly think this is what I';m dealing with. My mom had cancer, I was told she was cancer free. She had brain cancer, six weeks later she died. I had no family support. I'm living, for whatever reason, in the same apartment we lived in for thirteen years, amongst her things, for another.. month.. until I move. I was strong as a rock through her illness. Maybe things have just all hit me. My father and family still think I'm handling it well.

Simply put.. my aunt thinks I'm an idiot, both for even having a relationship or marriage on my mind, and for posting this thread. She told me that I first have to get back to NY, find an apt, and work, before even deciding about a relationship. Shes right. I wouldnt be right for anyone now, in Lancaster, or NY.

I dont know what is going to make this thread go away. I've posted my feelings. Based on what I've seen, my assessment is correct.

Mitch
 
My father is a wealthy man, living in a mega expensive apartment, who travels the world. He has one son. He knew fuill well the complexities of the tax returns...

Now,. hes the winner. My mom is dead.. he has the alimony check back, more money for him to travel the world, and Mitch has to do it his way, or else.
Dont think he doesnt love every minute of that. His worst enemy. (My mom) suffered and died of brain cancer. His second worst enemy.. (Mitch). Sustained the biggest hit of his life, and now will be forced to do things his way, after he really put the hurt on my life.

They talk about damages for sexual harassment. How about damages to a life? In my mind.,. basically.. he should send me the amount of money that was my mom's alimony check, until I get established with a job/business. Months, a couple of years, and stay out of my life.

WoW! So you want your Dad to pay you the sum of the alimony he paid your Mom ... to YOU ?!?

I have 3 questions:

1. Don't you have any SHAME?
2. Is your sense of entitlement that off-the-charts?
3. Is this how you show gratitude to your Father?
"Give me $, stay out of my life"

Comments: Oh yeah, that's a really great approach toward repairing your relationship with your father.
It's obvious Mitch, you're scarred of moving, but fear and panic are not your friend.

I stand by my predictions of estrangement unless you make some drastic attitude adjustments.
I believe it to be a logical conclusion to a dysfunctional relationship.
 
cold, I could ask you the same question.. dont YOU have any shame? Posting the same attacking posts to the same person, over, and over, and over, again?

My "Sense of Entitlement", you say. I have LETTERS IN WRITING from my father, promising me things about my life, that he didnt come through with. Everyone, who knows a lot better than you. Lawyers.. told me that he had only one child, and should have done my taxes, considering the complexity of them, and paid for my grad education. He promised in writing, repeatedly, to pay for my graduate education, even in nasty letters he sent my mom, and never came through. He went on with his life, knowing he didnt pay for grad school, and that I couldnt get loans, because of my taxes. He didnt care about my future. Moral parents dont do that to their children.

I stand by my prediction that one day a force greater than me will punish you for your evil attacking posts, cold. Every fucking thing I say, you must attack. I've lost my mom, now you predict I will be estranged from my father. If that isnt evil, and an attack, I dont know what is.

Case in point..,. My former best friend's mother thought it funny that my father and I were estranged. She loved when my parents were divorced. Well.. what happened to her.. Her marriage of 41 years broke up, and her daughter is nearly estranged from her.

Other case: My uncle used to make fun of me.. be abusive..because I used to do things to annoy him. I had a "mild learning disability". Well, unfortunately, for my first cousin, my uncle has a child who has far more serious problems than I ever did, and I've come to learn that my dad has a non existent relationship with my first cousin. In fact, my uncle appealed to me, not to base my relationship with my uncle on how my cousin acts. I'm going to ask my dad about his relationship with his nephew when I see him this weekend, to gain greater understanding of it.

FYI, cold, since you know so damn fucking much, and are the maven on everything.. I dont "expect" anything from my father. At times during my mom's illness, I visualized that my father would get what was her alimony check back upon her death, I would remain in Lancaster, take a roommate into my apartment, and have a job. I've told him his in fact. He asserted to me that he wouldnt want me to have that kind of life. He doesnt want me to remain in Lancaster, I dont want to remain in Lancaster, because the opportunities for social life, and work, are greater in NY than here.

No matter what I post, you will just attack, attack attack. Thats your nature. If I told you to go fuck yourself.. I'd be banned, The mods famous "Golden Rule":.

It's pointless. I'll decide when to officially leave the forum. I'm beginning to think that with abuse like this, its become like a bad addiction to me, like drinking, or drugs. You will probably never be banned, no matter what you say to me. Thus, I will have to be the one to vacate, and I will.

Mitch
 
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One other thing, cold, since you again know so damn fucking much...

This is how I break it down with my father,.,.

I think there is a level of him that feels badly about my mom passing away, and wants to come forth with some of the things be promised me,.,. but there's something else too.

I think there is also a level of him that fears of me being adrift in Lancaster, etc if he doesnt help me, as he's living high on the hog. YOU might not think that there's anything wrong with him not doing my taxes, but he still has to live in a world. If his cousins, family, friends, people whose taxes he did free of charge found out, they might not think him so cool. It might make his image look bad. Just recently.. he told me.. "Mitch, no one else knows about the taxes. You dont have to tell everyone, everything about us.. it should remain between us". WHY do you think he told me this?? A professor in college told me.. "If you dont know why, you dont know anything". He didnt tell anyone, because he was embarrassed, and they would think he was evil, for doing that to his son. I forgive him, if he stands by me now. He told me our relationship begins on the day I called him in Feb. I want that, but I also think he has a moral responsibility to come through with things he's promised me for years, abit in a different way than he would have before.

I believe, in my heart, that as a wealthy father, whose son's life he greatly damaged, that he should help me get on track, regardless of my age. He' would be doing for me now what he should have done in my early 20s, when he was off rompling with women. I will appreciate if he helps me, but.. as I said before, others who know better than you, including lawyers, and his former business partner, believe he royally screwed me over with the taxes, and grad education, whether you think so or not..

Mitch
 
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jin, like coldneck, your view is all wrong.

I dont expect my life to "run smoothly", as you said. How has my life run smoothly? My mother just died, and I took care of her all alone. What do YOU know about MY life?

I havent "asked" my dad for anything. I already stated 65,000 times that I had visualized staying in Lancaster, and having a job, and roommate, and not being in his life. On the day my mom was diagnosed in 2010, he wrote to me "If something happens to your mother, I will take care of you, take that worry out of your head". HIS words, not mine! HE wants me to come back to NY, and assist me with a job, etc. If every person of any age was taking from their parents, just because their parents wanted to help find them a job, a lot of people would be taking from their parents.

Your view, and your agreement with cold, after all the vicious things he's said to me, show me that you dont understand the situation either,. Like him, you only posted to be negative, etc.

Sigh! Just whatever already. Its unreal how one depressed post can turn into this shit.

Mitch
 
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One other thing, jin..

If my life had "run smoothly", as you say, one of the businesses I worked on for almost a decade, that others made thousands in, would have worked, and my life would be in a far different position. My life has been anything but "smooth". NOTHING I've tried, or intended, from work, to women, to living situation, has worked out. Does anyone think I like my position?

It would really be wise to be informed of the situation before making statements.

Mitch
 
jin, I know you are sincere. Here is my reply:

I disagree with you about one thing: I certainly dont expect life to run smoothly for me. It hasnt.. All I hope is that it gets a bit better, from what it is now.

I definitely agree with you about picking myself up, brushing myself off, and moving on. This is what I intend to do. I'm going to leave Lancaster, go back to NY, get a job/business, apartment, more friends, etc. My dad has told me that as heartbroken as I am about losing my mom, the only way I honor her memory is to go on with my life. She would want that for me.

For the next.. 4-6 weeks, life is stalled for me, until I pack, move etc. I cant get a job, or start a new business, yet, or more friends. When I move back to NY, everything changes. My family will be there, and my two best friends, to start.

My family thinks life will get better when I move. Right now is just hard. Hopefully, within a matter of months, I will be able to make changes for the better, with work, social, etc.

Mitch
 
"If something happens to your mother, I will take care of you, take that worry out of your head".

Mitch....it didn't make you feel the slightest little bit embarrassed when he wrote that? You are 42! He shouldn't HAVE to take care of you! You should be able to do that yourself! And him writing that shows one thing very clearly - that he doesn't think you can do it!

There are plenty of people who got their lives ruined by their father or even their parents, I know quite a few of them, and none of them thinks the parent or their parents should make that up to them now that they are grown up - on the contrary, they don't even want anything to do with those parents that weren't even worth being called parents!
 
rhiannon, I didnt have anything to do with him, for a long time. I havent seen him for periods of two, three, even six years.

It didnt make me feel embarrassed, for this reason. Look at it this way.. If I went to an office, and tickled a co worker's feet, without consent.. or discussed tickling.. I would not only be fired, but sued for harassment for a million dollars.. for "emotional distress". I would cause.. "Emotional distress" with an act of 1 minute. I'm by no means saying that doing something like that is appropriate. It s not. My point is.. what you said. many people get their lives ruined by their parents. I'm one who believes he has a moral responsibility to make it up to me.

I can spin this two million ways to Sunday. Bottom line, I should not have posted this thread. I leave myself open. It would be like if I walked down a street in a major city flashing hundred dollar bills, yelling "Mug me, mug me". and then I got mugged, they took the money, and I wondered why.

Whatever my personal situation ends up being when I get to NY, I wont post it on the forum. What's weird is that in real life, I'm usually guarded about info I give out, not wanting people whom I dont trust to know anything. I guess because this is the internet, I unwisely let it all hang out. I'm to blame for that, and the only way to rectify is, is not to post these types of threads again.

Mitch
 
To be honest, I have never understood why you post so much personal, emotional information about yourself on a public forum! Most of what you write on here I wouldn't even discuss with friends!
 
I didnt have anything to do with him, for a long time

So why do you wish to change that now? Because you need him? I don't know, but this doesn't feel right to me at all. With everything bad and hateful you said about him, you shouldn't have contact now just because you feel like you won't make it on your own. That, to me, seems morally wrong as well.
 
After this thread.. I go on record publicly as saying I';m going to leave the forum.. but I dont have a timetable for when I'm going to do so. With all the change happening in my life, I'm not ready to do it now after 10 years, but, I seriously dont need vicious predictions like coldneck predicting my father and I will be estranged again, when there is nothing to indicate that. Thats a wish, isnt it, coldneck, not a prediction?!

I'm going to say publicly that I appreciate those who have supported me during my ordeal with my mom.

To those who attacked me and said harsh, vicious things. You know who you are. There is a greater force, and may that greater force judge you for your evil. .

About the TMF rules: Its what the mods say they are, and not whats posted. "The Golden Rule" is clearly whatever a mod reading the post feels at that moment. I was almost banned for asking girls about ladders. One message to each girl, and that's "harassment", yet, I can be raked over the coals with the most vicious posts or predictions, and nothing happens to those who do it. Oh, one of the mods told me that people will "cut me slack for a week, and then its back to business". I'm allowed to mourn for a week, and then it';s acceptable if I'm attacked with the most vicious predictions? How one knows that those who posted the vicious predictions do so with intent, is that these people never said a word of support about my mom's situation. I'm then told how long I can mourn, or how to react to the worst thing in my life, ever?

A message about ladders is really emotionally trying for a girl, and reason to nearly ban me, but vicious attacks and wishes at the worst time of someone's life is nothing? Makes real sense.

Mitch
 
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Mitch, here's where you're seeing things wrong...

No one is "attacking you viciously". An example of attacking you viciously is by insulting you, and wishing you ill will in your life. That has not happened here in this thread really. You keep going back to coldneck saying that you and your father will be estranged again. This is NOT an attack. How can it be? You have told us a billion times that you and your father are NOT on the best of terms. He didn't take care of your taxes. He is happy he doesn't have to pay alimony anymore. We have heard you state reason after reason after reason about why your father is evil. So, if he continues on his "behavior" chances are, you're not going to speak to him anymore. That would be considered estrangement.

Even in your own posts, you contradict yourself. Your father wants to help you, but in the same post, you villify him for not helping you with your taxes. You have to stop and think, "Why does coldneck think I will be estranged from my father?" Well, maybe it's because you and your father are not exactly the best of friends. You are still harboring negative feelings towards him ("He didn't do my taxes.....)

Mitch, you are 42 years old. Time to grow up. Now you tell us that it is your father's idea for you to move to NYC and start anew. How about this Mitch, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO IN YOUR LIFE? Stop worrying about others. DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TO GET YOUR LIFE STRAIGHT. As a full grown man, you have to accept responsibility for your actions and life. You control your destiny. Not your father. Not your mother (may she rest in peace), not your aunt. Not members of the TMF. Not Kermit the frog. Not Genghis Khan. Not Rosy the red apple. YOU CONTROL your destiny. Everyone who has posted wants to see you make it. Some are more blunt than others.

If you can get past your blind rage towards coldneck, he actually is rooting for you. He told you to do something you want to do on your own. But because he said "estrangement" you get all sensitive. That's why the mods are saying the Golden Rule wasn't violated. Coldneck NEVER said you are a pile of worthless shit. He never said he hopes you fail miserably in life and hopes you get hit by a bus. He never said he wishes you to get a life threatening disease. He never said you are a complete and total moron. Those are attacks Mitch.

We want you to succeed Mitch. We all really do. But guess what? Your father or NO ONE else is going to save you. Only YOU can save YOU. Once you realize this, the better.
 
Prime, I know your message is sincere, except for two things.

One, "Time for you to grow up". How are you qualified to judge my maturity? I post something at a time I'm upset?

Two, coldneck is rooting for me? Er.. not.. No, he didnt say he hopes I get a disease, but.. he also never said anything like "Gee, Mitch, sorry about your mom, go on with your life", NEVER did he say that. He just predicted an estrangement between my father and me again, when there is nothing to indicate that.

I know you are sincere, prime. We;ve always been civil to each other. I state my piece, you state yours. We can have a difference of opinion. That is what the world is for.

Mitch
 
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